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Freedom of the Press

One wonders what the framers of the Constitution would think if they only knew that ~220 years after they gave Americans the Freedom of the Press that our press would be comprised of mainly six large corporations.

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69 Comments

monkey said:

Not the best choice of words there, sparrowmeister.

I got a terrible visual of the Sirota/Hillary thing ;-)

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

OMG- I didn't think of that Monkey--you perv!

(No offense intended!)

Um...maybe I should go change it?

Christy said:

He sure did hand her back her own arse! Wow, that was beautiful and reminded me EXACTLY WHY I will never vote for the that sold out shell of a woman.

I would rather be in the company of an actual hooker. At least they are usually honest about being prostitutes.

I hope she reads that, but I doubt her bubble is any less dense than georgies.

Christy said:

We should give Ralph a medal.

monkey said:

Too funny, sparrow!

... and that's MISTER perv to you!

Hey Christy, so if she gets the nomination (God forbid), what'll ya do?

Christy said:

Quit politics, go back to my easel, and I will be there when whatever happens, happens.

Only God can save Us now.

monkey said:

Actor Heath Ledger has been found dead in a Manhattan apartment, New York police tell CNN.

Oh, what a bummer.

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

I was about to post that about Heath Ledge too, Monkey. Sad.

But I have to tell you I don't think Britney is going to be too far behind in that drug overdose thing--or suicide.

Today is the 35th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, and W was actively courting the anti-choicers, talking his blabber about "culture of life" again.

What a f'ing hypocrite. He and his religion have been the world's most prolific killers!

Christy and Karen

re: leaving the US

I thought that was my only option as well, especially in regards to getting healthcare.

But now, I see it as a non-option. Given the destructive track record of Korean-born Americans, both in US and South Korean politics, no sane country would want to take me in. No sane country would want to deal with the same reactionary BS. Not even the Netherlands, who have their own conservative immigrant problem (the Surinamese and the Muslims) to deal with.

Canada under Stephen Harper would surely want me in, but Canada under Harper is NOT a sane country. Harper would love to have me so that he can turn Canada into the same hellhole that US and South Korea are today. I want no part of that.

sparrow

I won't shed any tears if/when Britney dies from a similar "tragedy."

Republican moral values media whores, especially those who can't live up to their own teachings, do not deserve my sympathy.

V said:

Gosh, Ally, but Bush cares so much about you if you are

white
rich
powerful
male
"Christian" (wink, wink)
exploitational
hedonistic
deceptive
incompetent
of average intelligence
and in some way, shape, or form able to keep him and his ilk in power.

Or, for as long as you're useful, if you belong to the "swing voting group" of the moment.

I mean, if you fit that profile, gosh he loves you!

Christy

re: Hillary

I just found out that even though I am registered nonpartisan, the otherwise-comatose California Democratic party will allow nonpartisans to vote in the Democratic presidential primary.

Very nice of them, and I will make my voice heard come Feb 5th. I won't be voting for Hillary - I will support Edwards for now. (Obama isn't making me too comfortable either, even though he's a great candidate.)

Republicans won't allow nonpartisans to vote in their primary, but the Constitution Party (which is bigger than the Dems in many parts of SoCal) will.

Re Heath, Britney, Amy W ..

I don't think I have any envy of the young, rich & famous!! We saw the same thing happen in my generation to Hendrix, Keith Moon, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison & later on, Curt Cobain, Layne Stayley & Elliott Smith. (The latter three were all from the Pacific NW where it's rainy & gloomy)

Re leaving the country ..

The dollar is too low for Europe or even possibly Canada. Am going to explore Mexico for a place to at least get away periodically. Always thought I'd retire at 65, possibly younger. Now it's 66 to get a full SS check (if there is anything left) but the way the markets look, I'll be working til 70, if anyone will hire an older woman.

Re the markets ..

Am going to just go on as usual and hope that in a couple of years, we are at least treading water. "Dollar-cost-averaging" means that more shares can be picked up now that the prices are low, but that those shares bought when they were higher were over-priced.

It's all a little nerve-wracking & I have intermittent anxiety about it, but keep reminding myself of the one prayer I follow - the Serenity Prayer - about having the wisdom to know the difference between what I can and can't control.

It is impossible not to feel resentment though, at this administration. I feel like they are like the Marcoses in the Philipines, who robbed the Treasury & squirreled it away in Swiss banks. Look at Bush's friends in Dubai and Saudi Arabia, laughing all the way to the bank. There he was, playing with the Arabian stallions and brandishing his sword over there last week.

He came back here long enough to announce his economic stimulus plan, upon which the stock markets plunged. The fed is a sick short-term joke. Until our government and people stop living on credit, there will be no relief. The problem is, the rest of the world is now addicted to our bad habit.


V said:

For those hoping to pick up a bargain, the market has yet to hit bottom...it will perk up a little, for a bit, until it figures out that the rate cut really didn't do squat to improve the economy. As long as there are gloomy earnings forecasts...gloomy markets. Things will pick up once the presidential race coalesces...depending on the candidates of course. Hillary & McCain I think the market like a lot...more of the same corporate subsidies. Someone like Paul, Kucinich, Edwards, not so much!! Even Huckabee, who loves the Flat Tax (i.e. 23% VAT)...nah.

Anyway it will be a good time to put money in the markets, now and then again this summer. Since after all you're not making anything on your money anywhere else, what with inflation over 4%.

Even the Republican sweetheart nationality, the Vietnamese, are now facing deportation home, if illegal:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_re_as/vietnam_us_immigration

It's about time - and we need to rescind automatic amnesty for the Cubans and the Koreans as well.

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

V--actually, the money isn't being made anywhere. But right now money is being lost!

I had extra money being pulled out and placed into two different retirement accounts. But for now, I've stopped one of them. And as soon as I pay a few extra bills again, I'm going to put it back into the other 'retirement' account I have at work.

Problem is a slight pay-cut this semester, as well as having 3-4 weeks without a paycheck. So next month I will resume the auto-withdrawal but will move that money back into only one investment account.

woz said:

Sad news to have come home to.

Australian Actor Heath Ledger, 28, Likely Died of Accidental Overdose, Police Said

By SHEILA MARIKAR
Jan. 22, 2008

Actor Heath Ledger, 28, was found dead at a Manhattan residence Tuesday. Police told ABC News' Richard Esposito that prescription drugs including sleeping pills and two anti-anxiety medications likely played a part, and the death appeared to be accidental.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4173792&page=1

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

Yeh. woz. My kids and I were saying that he seemed like such a family man not a drug addict.

Hard to believe.

woz said:

They were prescription drugs. I know with those kinds of prescription drugs there have been times that I've forgotten I've taken them and doubled up. Scary!

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

And still they don't impeach!!!

he study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.

"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.

"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.

Read more foreign press! Especially if not owned by Mr. Rupert Murdoch.

UK press is reporting that US press is IGNORING the Sibel Edmonds story.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/01/us_journalists_ignore_sunday_t.html

Christy said:

They will never willingly imoeach, because almost all of them are implicated in helping him do it.

Knowingly, unknowingly, doesn't really matter. They did it, and the only way to take it back, is to expose themselves completely. They will never willingly do so.

We must make them do it. We have to literally make them CONFESS, and which senators will question which senators?

What a total freaking nightmare.

Christy said:

Just the admin. can be caught in almost 1000 on the record lies.

That does not even include the lies of our senators, our congressmen, our most trusted officials furthering the CONSPIRACY OF TREASON AND WAR CRIMES.

Ofcourse they are ignoring the Sybil Edmonds story, but she is getting harder and harder to freaking ignore her for much longer.

The story is getting out anyways.

It is too freaking big not too.

Christy said:

Valerie Plame, Sybil Edmonds.. It is Frankenstien.

They would rather hang an innocent servant girl, than to admit there is a monster in thier midst.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

Iraq Casualties Tested for HIV

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/011508HA.shtml

In The Guardian UK, Richard Norton-Taylor writes: "British soldiers and civilian contractors seriously injured in Iraq and Afghanistan are being tested for HIV, hepatitis and other diseases as health campaigners reacted angrily to the news that they had been given blood from American donors who not been properly screened."

This is our version of LIES & LYING LIARS, with photos
http://www.silencedmajority.blogs.com

Well, off to the grindstone.

ralpheh Author Profile Page said:

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

And still they don't impeach!!!

he study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

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I would contact Rep. Wexler's office regarding impeachment and the petition drive and ask how we can help:

2241 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-0919
Phone: (202) 225-3001
Fax: (202) 225-5974

I got an email from his office saying that they were considering taking out ads for impeachment and the petition.

Here is the latest from Wexler's You Tube video:

(there are 600 comment on the video - pretty good sign)

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The petition count:

213,424
signed up
and counting..

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

What you may not know about MLK

We all know him because of his historic impact on civil rights, but many don't realize that later in life he fought just as passionately for the rights of workers and against the entrenched institutions of injustice.
"Equality means dignity. And dignity demands a job and a paycheck that lasts through the week."
The War on Greed is exactly this kind of fight. The livelihoods of families have been directly attacked by the actions of buyout billionaires like Henry Kravis putting Wall Street's special interests ahead of his 800,000 employees... and pocketing $51,000 an hour in the process.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

Two Against One
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: January 23, 2008

If Bill Clinton has to trash his legacy to protect his legacy, so be it. If he has to put a dagger through the heart of hope to give Hillary hope, so be it.

If he has to preside in this state as the former first black president stopping the would-be first black president, so be it.

The Clintons — or “the 2-headed monster,” as the The New York Post dubbed the tag team that clawed out wins in New Hampshire and Nevada — always go where they need to go, no matter the collateral damage. Even if the damage is to themselves and their party.

Bill’s transition from elder statesman, leader of his party and bipartisan ambassador to ward heeler and hatchet man has been seamless — and seamy.

After Bill’s success trolling the casinos on the Las Vegas Strip, Hillary handed off South Carolina and flew to California and other Super Tuesday states. The Big Dog relished playing the candidate again, wearing a Technicolor orange tie and sweeping across the state with the mute Chelsea.

He tried to convey the impression that they were running against The Man, and with classic Clintonian self-pity, grumbled that Barack Obama had all the advantages.

When he was asked yesterday if he would feel bad standing in the way of the first black president, he said no. “I’m not standing in his way,” he said. “I think Hillary would be a better president” who’s “ready to do the job on the first day.” He added: “No one has a right to be president, including Hillary. Keep in mind, in the last two primaries, we ran as an underdog.” He rewrote the facts, saying that “no one thought she could win” in New Hampshire, even though she originally had had a substantial lead.

He said of Obama: “I hope I get a chance to vote for him some day.” And that day, of course, would be after Hillary’s eight years; it’s her turn now because Bill owes her. “I think it would be just as much a change, and some people think more, to have the first woman president as to have the first African-American president,” he said.

Bad Bill had been roughing up Obama so much that Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina suggested that he might want to “chill.” On a conference call with reporters yesterday, the former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a national co-chairman of the Obama campaign, tut-tutted that the “incredible distortions” of the political beast were “not keeping with the image of a former president.”

Jonathan Alter reported in Newsweek that Senator Edward Kennedy and Rahm Emanuel, the Illinois congressman and former Clinton aide, have heatedly told Bill “that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Senator Barack Obama.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Freedom is on the march - in Muslim societies "liberated" by the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7204341.stm

Downloading materials re: women's role in Islam is punishable by death in Afghanistan.

Just what kind of a sick death cult is this?

Here's another one, from Kuwait, which was liberated by W's father:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2008/01/boys_must_be_boys.html

Nobody will EVER get PC with me regarding this excuse of a "religion." Islam MUST be exterminated!

I used to know a "Muslim feminist" from a lesbian forum I no longer go to.

If I were to come across her now, I would tell her one thing: Islam is INHERENTLY incompatible with feminism, and you must pick one or the other, never both.

All the death cults of the world MUST be actively fought against and exterminated!

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

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What amazes me is Israel ask the world to remember what happened to them by the Nazis, can anyone explain to me, how what they are doing to the Palistinians is any friking different?

Israel and America Both countries have invaded and occupied sovereign nations ...

Hamas Beats Israel's Gaza Siege
TIME - 54 minutes ago - Palestinians cross over a destroyed section of the border wall from Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, into Egypt ...

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1706252,00.html


Escape From Gaza: Tens Of Thousands Cross Downed Wall, Flee to Egypt
AP IBRAHIM BARZAK RAFAH,

Gaza Strip — Tens of thousands of Palestinians on foot and on donkey carts poured into Egypt from Gaza Wednesday after masked gunmen used land mines to blast down a seven-mile barrier dividing the border town of Rafah.
The border breach was a dramatic protest against the closure of the impoverished Palestinian territory imposed last week by Israel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/23/gazans-knock-down-border_n_82809.html

Humanitarian Impact of Israel's Blockade of Gaza

2 Minute Video Report
Gaza's 1.5 million residents are struggling to cope without electricity and other basic necessities on the fourth day of an Israeli blockade. Hospitals have begun to run short of fuel for generators, and sewage has spilled out onto the streets.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19130.htm

American Pressure Thwarts UN Censure of Gaza Strip Blockade

By Shlomo Shamir and Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondents, and News Agencies
The United Nations Security Council will not approve a resolution condemning Israel over the closure of the Gaza Strip, due to pressure applied by the United States.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19131.htm

The Lessons of Violence
By Chris Hedges

This is not another typical spat between Israelis and Palestinians. This is the final, collective strangulation of the Palestinians in Gaza. The decision to block shipments of food by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency means that two-thirds of the Palestinians who rely on relief aid will no longer be able to eat when U.N. stockpiles in Gaza run out.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19127.htm

Kangaroo

I don't understand WHY I need to sympathize with the Palestinians, given that they are consumed by a death cult that wants the likes of me dead.

As long as that's the case, I can never sympathize with their plight, no matter how "evil" Israel gets.

At least, minus the Muslim suicide bombers, I can visit Israel in relative peace. I can never say that of the Palestinian territories.

And as much as W likes to sell himself as an ally of Israel, he is really the biggest enabler of them all for the Muslim death squads (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, even Iran).

In Italy, Silvio Berlusconi may come back to power:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7205578.stm

And over in Asia, Taiwan is turning hard right this year.

This world is truly getting f'd.

The Dutch are caving into the Muslim culture of intolerance and hatred. Now, it's okay to kill a "blasphemous" filmmaker in the Netherlands.

Unacceptable!

Apparently, the Dutch are so tolerant, that they will even tolerate murder and death cults, as long as they are ethnic in origin. I've already had it with Amsterdam's Surinamese thugs, and now this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_terror_trial

monkey said:

"When defending religion leads to death the deaths of others, that religion strays further and further from it's original intention" - Monkeymus Maximus, 2008 A.D.

V said:

Ally, there are a lot of religious practices, especially the ultra-conservative ones, that seem completely at odds with feminism. But women find ways to carve out feminist practices without abandoning their religion.

My best friend is an observant Orthodox Jew. The more observant she has become over the years, the more she has run into a barricade of chauvinism...and yet she (and her mother) have managed to creatively and devoutly define what it means to be a feminist observant Orthodox Jew.

Religions are all constructs anyway...our feeble attempt to translate God into something we understand. So if we tweak religion here and there to better allow us to worship God on a personal basis, and within our community, and our culture...so much the better. There is a place for tradition, but there is also a place for identification. Even very liturgical or ritualistic religions have a place for personal adaptation, however private that may be.

woz said:

Monkeymus Maximus of 5.14pm, January 23rd, 2008 points out the truth of the worlds.

V

You have a good point to ponder, but it's also my sincere belief that when you have to throw out a good number of key tenets of a given religion/belief system, it's no longer that religion/belief system.

I take both the Bible and the Koran to be inherently homophobic scriptures. No matter what kind of interpretation one applies to these texts, there is NO escaping that fact.

Granted, these texts speak more for the *human interpretation* of the supernatural/divinity than actual divinity itself, and we agree on that. But as monkey says, any religion that kills is really off the mark. And what is happening in Muslim nations across the Middle East (often under US blessing), as well as in Christian areas like southern US and Central America, really troubles me.

woz said:

Troubles us all ally. But, as monkey points out - it is the *original intention* of the original religion that all of this murder, hate and vengeance strays from. Hate and vengeance are human constraints. It's not the religion in its original form that is the problem. It is the male side of the equation who have deleted scriptured women and sanitised the text to suit the world/religious leaders of the time. Some Islamic women, some christian women are getting it back. I saw something recently - ah yes, on Barack Obama's site - regarding a christian lesbian having been made a minister of his church.

It's getting it back to the origins of the religion itself - where all are equal. And all small steps must be enjoyed, celebrated and encouraged.

Some dilemmas are easier in my mind because I

- find it less easy to take sides when both sides are nationalistic (as in quarrels between countries)

- have never been particularly attracted to tradition (as in combining feminist theory with some sort of religion)

That's just me but it's alot easier.

I know a guy from Pakistan who is a Sufi so technically Muslim but he feels as much in common with the type of shamanism practised in the Don Juan/Carlos Castaneda books and he knows that I identify more with the spirit of Kwan Yin than with certain other branches of religious thought that are more closely identified with my culture.

Matthew Carnicelli Author Profile Page said:

It's probably coming too late to help him, but John Edwards' issues are finally beginning to resonate. This economy has everyone spooked, and now, thanks to Bill O'Reilly's idiotic mocking of homeless veterans (who are almost assuredly suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder), Edwards’ focus on poverty is finally hitting home. Given the celebrity driven dynamics of this election, it's probably not going to make enough of a difference to keep him in the race...but I bet the story would have been different if we were still using the much more leisurely 2004 primary schedule.

I think Edwards is also correct on another point that he's been making. He's the only one of these three remaining Democrats who has a legit chance to appeal to enough independents to defeat John McCain. And in a country where a plurality of Americans now describe themselves as Independents, it's those voters who will likely decide this election.

We all better hope that Mitt Romney can get it together between now and February 5th; because if he can't stop McCain, I wouldn't bet on either Hillary or Obama doing it - at least not without the help of Michael Bloomberg.

monkey said:

Kucinich Starts New Impeachment Drive
By David M. Herszenhorn
January 23, 2008, 12:57 pm

Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio may get excluded from Democratic presidential debates, as he has been recently, but no one can deny him the floor in the House.
And today Mr. Kucinich took to the floor to fire off his latest salvo at the Bush administration: his plans to introduce Articles of Impeachment against President Bush on Jan. 28 — the day of Mr. Bush’s State of the Union speech.

Accusing the administration of lying about the need for the war in Iraq, Mr. Kucinich said he did not need to hear the president’s
assessment. “We know the State of the Union,” he declared. “It’s a lie.”

He also fired a volley at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California who has maintained that impeaching Mr. Bush is not on the table for Congressional Democrats. “If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said, “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table
then this body is living a lie.”

more...
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/kucinich-starts-new-impeachment-drive/

Christy said:

Carol, Please go to my site and if you approve, email me an addy to send it too.

Sparrow, you too, go see.

HAHAHA!

Inspired by Monkey

“If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said (to Congress), “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table then this body is living a lie.”Mad_tea_party_700

http://www.silencedmajority.blogs.com

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their sties with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking.

Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.

The Beatles

ralpheh Author Profile Page said:

The Wexler video on impeaching Cheney at You Tube has 88,000 views and has over 600 comments attacked to it.

I copied and pasted the first 9 pages of comments in a Word file, printed them out and faxed one set of copies to Conyers and another to Pelosi.

I called Wexler's office today and asked what more could be done other than signing the petition - he said contact Conyers and other members of the Judiciary.

I called Conyers office (before I sent the fax out) and inquired about the possibility of impeachment. I thought I would get a hostile response but the guy who answered the phone - he sounded older/not an intern, and he said something like "we hear you and we're with you..."

I also contacted the National Lawyers Guild in NYC. They have sponsored several forums on impeachment and thought they could support the petition drive and lobbying.

woz said:

NMP - love the WhiteHouseMadTeaParty - feel sorry for Alice, Mad Hatter and friends. Am going to check out the site.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

At least, minus the Muslim suicide bombers, I can visit Israel in relative peace. I can never say that of the Palestinian territories.

Give me a break Ally

They don't need suicide bombers in Israel, Israel have all the American WMDs they would ever need to wipe out Palistine. and they have done a pretty good job of it I think. Just like America has done in Iraq, How many tonnes of WMDs have they dropped in the last month, on innocent citizens of Iraq.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

McCain wins Louisiana caucus: preliminary results while longshot candidate Ron Paul took second place, the state party said Wednesday, citing preliminary results.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/McCain_wins_Louisiana_caucus_prelim_01232008.html

monkey said:

Kangaroo...

I just read that article "Voters Showing a Darker Mood Than in 2000 Race", and THAT should not only be a thread header here, in IT'S ENTIRETY, but it should go out to everyone you know, and should be listed in history books, as the direct result of the polocies and ideology of the BUSH CHENEY years, and a complete and total VINDICATION of everything the criminally villified left argued against.

I hate to be an "I told you so" kinda guy, but man, the proof (RESULTS) is so overwhelming about why voting for BUSH CHENEY would be such a disaster, I can't help but go around now telling everyone...

See! I told you so!

... and it brings me NO joy to say it, I can assure you.

And the message now has to be, to insure that this next election does not perpetuate the same ultra-failed ideology, to point out with laser-like clarity what will be the same, and what and WHO will be different.

I am so displeased with the choices of candidates running this year, because I truly believe in my heart of hearts that essentially, this is it, it's now or never, and another mistake as serious as the one that has been allowed (SOMEHOW) to rule the last 7 years will surely put us in the ground for good.

Is resistance futile? Hell no.

not my president Author Profile Page said:

Here's why we're not excited:

The Bush legacy in a nice table
http://www.dems.gov/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC={D68CD0B2-1442-4804-9F6B-AF67DE7FF585}&DE={FDD09C4F-E958-4E13-A92B-179C2FAC6FEA}&Design=PrintView

& just think .. if McCain had won SC in 2000 and gone on to win the election and had two terms, George Bush would probably be running again now for two more terms.

On the other hand, President Gore would have had a couple of better terms, and then Senator Kerry would probably be running now and win. It would have been a Democratic roll.

Possibly no 9/11 (less arrogance), no Afghanistan or Iraq war and maybe a nice government surplus with some actual taxes on the rich, some actual regulation, some actual infrastructure and some actual logic behind it.

I try not to ever have regrets ..

NPR Morning Edition revealed this morning the secret Pentagon meetings with Iraqi officials about our staying in Iraq for decades via permanent bases. It's not called a Treaty, though it is one, because treaties have to be approved by Congress, and this Administration wants this policy entrenched by the time the next Administration takes over. McCain must be in on it since he talks about us being there 100 years. Or he's all for it.

Secondly, Congress has already passed three laws stating there are to be no permanent bases in Iraq. So the Administration is calling them things like "Enduring." Remember Operation Enduring Freedom?

Madeline Albright spoke and talked about how the meaning of the word Democracy has been ruined by this administration, as Democracy can't be imposed by occupation. She is a consultant to companies who say their "brands" have been damaged by association with the current United States under this administration.

Condi Rice spoke at Davos and talked as though our economy is fine and dandy because we are "resilient" and our "fundamentals" are strong. What does that mean? That rich people can absorb this fine or maybe even make money off it? People like the Editor of the Financial Times (British) were pretty skeptical. It was perhaps more meaningful to me to listen to George Soros, who talks as though we're the falling Roman Empire and that India and China are actually the rising stars, being as they 1) save more than they spend, 2) produce more than they consume.

By the way, John Kerry is speaking today about going to Bali conference on the environment and Climate Change.

ralpheh Author Profile Page said:

How many folks here have You Tube accounts??

Since You Tube only allows me to forward/share about 10 to 12 videos every 15 minutes, I can only forward/share the Wexler video 50 to 100 times per day if I sit in front of the computer all day.

I have become pretty good at Phishing for impeachment supporters at You Tube and I could forward to others here at DCP these contacts I have found at You Tube.

sparrow Author Profile Page said:

Ralph,

That's a great idea. You're always working very hard at Youtube or elsewhere.


DCP--
I'm out most of the rest of the day.

Will post a new thread in a few hours I think.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

Is resistance futile? Hell no.

I thought the same thing when I was reading it Monkey, Resistance is on the move, Thank the Lord.

Christy said:

Is resistance futile?

Yes, but what else can you do? Submit? HELL NO!

ralpheh Author Profile Page said:

parrow Author Profile Page said:

Ralph,

That's a great idea. You're always working very hard at Youtube or elsewhere.


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Yeah, it just depends on how serious people are about doing something. Forwarding the Wexler petition to 10 people everyday day at You Tube, (or My Space or Face Book - I don't know how these work as well as I do You Tube )doesn't seem like a big burden.

Of the 200 or 300 emails I have sent out at You Tube, I have have yet to get back a critical response.

Faxing the comments into Conyers and Pelosi might help too.....


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Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

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Is resistance futile? Hell no.


Resistance is on the move, Thank the Lord.

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

UK Ordered To Make Blair's Iraq WMD Documents Public

Blair's 'dodgy dossier' on Iraq set to be revealed after Government loses appeal on keeping it secret

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510043&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ito=1490

Kangaroo Author Profile Page said:

Darn he was my vote for President, suck that he is not running.

Feingold: "I Really Do Disagree" With Reid On FISA

A long-debated provision over whether or not telephone companies would get a free pass for aiding the U.S. government in warrentless surveillance hits the Senate floor today. And it threatens to open up fissures within the Democratic Party.

In an interview with the Huffington Post on Thursday morning, Sen. Russ Feingold, who opposes granting immunity to those companies, expressed disappointment that his party's leader, Sen. Harry Reid, was not doing more to help strike the provision from a newly considered version of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"Of course I have great respect for the Majority Leader," said Feingold. "He is a good friend of mine. But I really do disagree with his way of proceeding."

At issue is the likely passage of a version of FISA that contains retroactive immunity over one that doesn't. Reid has said he supports the former, but legislatively, the path has been paved for the passage of the latter. In addition, there is debate over an amendment offered by Sen. Chris Dodd, to strip immunity from any FISA bill. If that fails -- and it seems likely -- Dodd has threatened to filibuster the whole bill. On Wednesday, Reid was interpreted as saying any such filibuster will be the standing and talking variety as opposed to an agreed-upon 60-vote minimum threshold. Feingold, who supports Dodd's stance, took slight issue with that approach.

"We should have a normal process were this is debated based on a majority vote in the senate," said the Wisconsin Democrat. "That's the way it should have been done and I regret that it's not being done that way. Of course, I support Senator Dodd. He and I were principally involved in making sure this didn't get jammed through before the holidays and I will be supporting him again. But this decision does make it harder."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/24/feingold-i-really-do-di_n_83053.html

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