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Iowa Caucus, Thursday Evening Open Thread
I'm rescuing those on dial-up from the sluggishness the videos cause on the other thread. So you've now got a nice quick thread on which to post your thoughts about tonight's caucuses.
No matter who you're routing for, remember this statement posted by Army Dude from ArmyofDude.blog
Remember Iraq? The Democratic candidates don't, but the Republican candidates do, as the word 'success' is being tossed around D.C. like it's been there since mission accomplished. I suppose the only thing both sides have in common is using the war and our soldiers as a Kleenex issue, ready to dispose of when they're no longer useful.
What you likely have forgotten is Afghanistan, slipping deeper into chaos with a Taliban resurgence, coupled with what is going to a be record crop of opium, used to finance insurgent fighters. Per capita, it's more deadly than Iraq, with only 50,000 troops there to hold against the Taliban influx. A war almost the whole world can agree on, and there's a little being done, save Secretary Gates asking allies to contribute. Be sure to read this article on what happens when there are too few troops in an area crawling with Taliban. Policy that directs assets and soldiers to Iraq to fight in that war is what gets men killed in Afghanistan, simply put. They don't have enough manpower and equipment to fight their fight. With the supposed success in Iraq, it's high time we have another surge, this time in Afghanistan.
This has been on my mind all new year. It was left anonymously in a comment section of an earlier entry:
Sometime this year, an eighteen year old soldier will die in a war that started when he was thirteen.
Hold onto that. Let it linger.
Sometime this year, an eighteen year old soldier will die in a war that started when he was thirteen.
Sometime this year an eighteen year old will die after having lived through a political impeachment based on marital infidelity and a lie that happened when he was nine.
Some time this year, an eighteen year old soldier will die for a president who lied...
And yet Congress just sits by...
It's an election year, and many more will die.
Think on that a while.
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Not enough room in cyberspace to list all Bush's lies!!!
Expert: Crime of torture could only have been ordered by the president
The Raw Story
1/3/08
It was announced on Wednesday that the Justice Department has opened an official criminal investigation into the destruction of CIA torture tapes. However, rather than appointing an outside special council, Attorney General Mukasey has assigned an assistant US Attorney from Connecticut to handle the proceedings.
At the same time, the chairman and co-chair of the 9/11 Commission are charging in a New York Times op-ed that the CIA obstructed their own investigations in 2003-04 by not disclosing the existence of the tapes.
Constitutional expert Jonathan Turley told Keith Olbermann that as many as six criminal offenses could be involved in the 9/11 Commission charge alone, including obstruction of Congress, obstruction of justice, perjury, and conspiracy.
However, Turley emphasized that the real crime under investigation is not merely obstruction, but the actual torture documented by the tapes. "It is still, even after the last seven year, a crime to torture suspects," Turley commented.
Turley suggested that under those circumstances, the failure to appoint a special prosecutor was a serious problem, because "the investigation will essentially be the Justice Department investigating itself. ... Picking some guy in Connecticut or Cincinnati or Delaware or any other state doesn't make any difference. His boss is Michael Mukasey. And Michael Mukasey's boss is the president of the United States. If torture occurred, he was the guy who ordered it."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Turley_Waterboarding_orders_lead_to_Presidents_0102.html
Already thought on it.
You can have my kids for your damn dirty wars, when you can unwrap them from my cold dead arms.
Looky what I found
http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/
I can't get that 13 year old out of my mind. And all for the greed and lies of so few.
Great thread header...
Wanna get rich? Invent a pill for electile dysfunction.
It's Hard Work
awww...you just say that 'cuz you didn't like the slo-mo you-tube vids.
;0
NBC: Entrance polls suggest Clinton and Obama lead other Democrats among caucus-goers, while it's a Huckabee-Romney race on GOP side.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/
well, I'm in irc if anyone wants to join. It does keep booting me out though.
Huckabee Attack Ad Runs Anyway
His attack ad appears on three Iowa stations. We find it somewhat misleading. Another ad makes misleading claims about tax cuts.
By Brooks Jackson | factcheck.org
Jan 3, 2008
The ad Huckabee said he decided not to run has now appeared at least three times in Iowa anyway. It accuses Romney of being "dishonest" but shades the facts in the process.
In another ad Huckabee claims to have signed the most broad-based tax cut in Arkansas history. But as we've noted repeatedly, he signed bigger tax increases than cuts.
Analysis
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee raised eyebrows Dec. 31 when he told reporters at a news conference that he had decided not to run an attack ad calling rival Mitt Romney "dishonest," then ran it in front of reporters and TV cameras anyway. Now it turns out that the ad actually appeared on at least three Iowa TV stations that same day.
more...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/83514
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CNN just reported Edwards at 45%!!!!!!!!
WHEEEEE!!!!
I forgot to mention...I contacted the Hillary for Pres. campaign today and told them I would not vote for her now that she has said that she is not going to hold investigations into GWB. I also told them her healthcare plan sucked. I told them that those are 'deal breakers!'
Here's her number for you to call too:
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that's an entrance poll, is it Christy?
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"CROSSROADS" IS HILLARY'S SLICK VIDEO ON YOU TUBE TODAY...
Senator John Edwards : 35.58%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 30.85%
Senator Barack Obama : 30.01%
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.67%
Senator Joe Biden : 1.46%
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.24%
Uncommitted : 0.18%
Precincts Reporting: 128 of 1781
http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/
NO NOT AN ENTRANCE POLL!
It was the first percentage up.
Go to the link I posted. Edwards is STILL leading with 34.22%
via kos:
Update: Rural precincts are small and are quick to report. You have to think this is Edwards territory, so the fact Obama and Clinton are running as well in those precincts bodes ill for Edwards.
His numbers are going back up and hers are tanking some.
GO JOHN! GO JOHN! GO JOHN!
wow! On the Rep. side McCain at 12% and Thompson at 18%
So hey all--I am in NYC where I taught three two-hour classes AND had a glass of wine! I am USELESS! But I want to follow this along!
Man that is one tight race.
Richardson and Biden are gone. Kucinich not even on the board.
Obama just topped clinton!
GO JOHN! Go Obama!
Guys and gals...please...PLEASE make sure you call Clinton's number. And tell her to NOT LET GWB off the hook like Bill let GHB off the hook! (ALSO mention SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE because they will try to toss out her plan to you!)
Yes sparrow. Hillary is way too republican for me. So - good on you!
OMG Obama just topped Edwards!
cool!
I don't need to watch this - you lot are doing just fine.
CNN and Fox calling it for the Huckster
I am good either way.
I like John, but Obama with John as his VP works too.
His lead is widening. Clinton still in 3rd.
Actually... I'm not really going to be happy with any Republican candidate, but the ads against the Huckster and McCain should be quite good!
(But I actually am happy if McCain doesn't get it since the media ALWAYS gives him a pass on his lies! AND he took the most money from the rich dudes who sponsored the swifties in 04.
Wow! It says something when Paul got less than Thompson who slept through Iowa. And both got more than Guiliani!
I do believe Obama has won it.
Not over yet, but he has an impressive lead and it is only getting better.
Close tie between second and third (E and C). Frankly, that close is really not a third in my book. It's a first place and two seconds!
Two is not a winner.
And 3 nobody remembers.
A black man with a white mother and a Muslim name.
My God. I think I just may cry.
BTW:
I called Rep. Wexler's Washington office today about impeachment and getting a copy of his You Tube video to broadcast on local cable access. The person was not particularly helpful; she said the Washington office doesn't have anything to do with the petition and gave me an alternative phone number that really didn't work. I called the office back and said the phone number they gave me was bad. She said to me "that was the number, I was told to give out". I told her "Tell the person who told you to give the phone number out, that it doesn't work!!!"
Then I try Wexler's Florida office. I ask them about the petition. They immediately transfer my call back to the Washington office. LOL (I am getting the classic run-around). I tell the woman in D.C. to give a phone number that works. She says to email "the guy" about the petition...
I was going to chip in some money to Wexler's campaign but now I don't know. I don't know if they are serious about the petition...
Ralph,
Don't assume that Wexler isn't serious just because some underpaid staff person didn't do something right.
I suggest that you ask specifically for the campaign office or the press secretary.
Got 4 fish in the irc...anyone else hopping in too?
DFA Democracy For America did a conference call yesterday from Iowa -
They were working for both Obama and Edwards (and probably Kucinich). Hillary's name was not even mentioned
LOL
they were optimistic about both Obama and Edwards...
NBC calling it for Obama
Obama has a very large 6 pt. lead.
He is eating their lunches.
What wonderful results! That is fantastic.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Wow! Less than .4 separates E and C! That really is amazing!
Repubs:
Huckabee, Mike GOP 25,510 34%
Romney, Mitt GOP 18,668 25%
Thompson, Fred GOP 10,308 14%
McCain, John GOP 9,891 13%
Paul, Ron GOP 7,674 10%
Giuliani, Rudy GOP 2,708 4%
AP results ( HILLARY IN 3RD????)
1475 of 1781 Precincts Reporting - 83%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Obama, Barack Dem 720 37%
Edwards, John Dem 597 30%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 592 30%
Ric
Poor little ghoullianni. He just isn't as scary as he thinks he is.
HALLELUJAH!!!
This looks like the same numbers just out to the second decimal...
Senator Barack Obama : 36.88%
Senator John Edwards : 30.14%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 29.85%
Governor Bill Richardson : 2.10%
Senator Joe Biden : 0.90%
Uncommitted : 0.10%
Hi gang,
Just catching up here. Looks like Obama's lead keeps growing. Glad Edwards is holding his own, as he may pick up some votes in NH when the Biden, Kucinich, Richardson folks pull back.
Christy - I agree - an Obama/Edwards ticket would be good too.
ANYONE FOR A "HILLARY SCREAM"????
I wonder if Hillary will change her message for NH now that she is a close 3rd.
Actually, I don't think I want an Obama/Edwards ticket. I would prefer someone more like General Clark.
His lead is still going up.
Senator Barack Obama : 37.03%
Precincts Reporting: 1611 of 1781
Or Biden....
I hate to admit it, but it's the hype of these caucuses and primaries the make the dimwits in DC stop impeachment hearings here and now.
I almost feel guilty for watching them...as if it gives the dimwits proof of why they shouldn't impeach.
I like Clarck, but John Edwards DESERVES to be prez or VP.
HE was cheated in 2004. And he is the ONLY ONE who walked away with a damn good excuse. His wifes cancer AND he was cheated, all in the same day.
John Edwards will not ignore our broken system.
If he is not prez or VP, it will be a lesser Admin for it.
I guess I'm partial to Clarke having met him at y-kos and seen him with his vets. It really does something when you see such strong compassion and that brotherhood between them, Christy. Plus, he's dang smart! AND he is utterly devoted to the vets, carries a populist message too, and also fights his buns off for his beliefs too.
But frankly, I don't want to talk about P or VP due to my guilt about impeachment...
I've missed something - I don't know of Clark
I'm with you Christy. I think he should be there. It's actually been driving me a little nuts how the talking heads have been ignoring Edwards, and continue to even tonight.
Chris Mathews can hardly be bothered to mention Edwards.
woz - General Wes Clark - ran in 2004.
After what suz just said about Clarke - he sounds great, but he just hasn't made a splash anywhere except in the smaller more intimate settings it seems. Sadly that kind of person, no matter how good, won't ever get the top job. That's why actors can carry it off a bit more.
Hillary in 3rd:
1647 of 1781 Precincts Reporting - 92%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Obama, Barack Dem 847 37%
Edwards, John Dem 683 30%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 674 30%
Richardson, Bill Dem 49 2%
Biden, Joe Dem 22 1%
Uncommitted
Wes Clark - early on - endorsed HIllary.... that's a bit of a problem
"It really does something when you see such strong compassion and that brotherhood between them, Christy. "
Ummm. Uhhhh. Darlin...
I was the wife of a soldier once. Ammo Sgt. (IYAAYAS)
I heard Osama try to blow him up. I saw him on TV later that night, searching for his roomate in the rubble of what had been their room. Yes, it is a brotherhood.
I understand how much you like Clarke, I like him too. But he is a military man. We do not need a military leader.
Love General Wesley Clark - he is a brilliant man. Saw him speak at YearlyKos in Las Vegas and Chicago. The first time he spoke about the importance of science. Saw him in Tacoma with John Kerry in 2004. His endorsement of HIllary Clinton was one of the plusses for her in my mind. I am a middle-aged woman, so a middle-aged woman would be nice for President.
But then I agreed more with the policies of Edwards fundamentally, as far as his positions on trade, as this country has deregulated itself into a position where the poor and middle classes are literally subsidizing the rich. For example, when we pay sales tax at a "big box" store, a government program uses them to subsidize the store's operating expenses rather than going for our public infrastructure. It's all in a book called "Free Lunch" (by a New York Times investigative reporter, so don't throw the baby out with the bathwater).
My son is ecstatic about Obama. He has supported him from the start and my son is the one who convinced me to support Kerry when Gore didn't run. If Gore had run this time, my son would have backed him 1000%. If Obama has a way to get the young out to caucus, work and vote then he may be electable. Maybe my generation needs to pass the torch. If Obama can prove electability, I will be out there recruiting young people to vote.
I want the Republicans out. I supported Bill Richardson probably the most. LIked Biden and Dodd. So much for me.
Anyway, this is all very interesting. Having had little invested other than "electability" (given how US politics works), I feel fairly blase. Like whatever.
J & E Edwards on msnbc right now.
status quo lost and change won
The big news that comes out of tonight is that the Clinton machine took a beating.
Obama is the big winner, and Edwards did well enough to fight another day.
Hillary can spin all she wants, but the result tonight is a tremendous repudiation of her candidacy. That's what you deserve when you're arrogant enough to run a general election campaign in a primary.
By the way, this author is saying that our politicians respond mostly to the UPPER MIDDLE CLASSES of this country. He says NO MORE FREE LUNCHES for the members of Congress. Complete disclosure on the internet and record of all their expenditures. Who met with them, what they met about, how much did it cost.
Politician Finance Reform with Zero Tolerance.
So you see, for that, Edwards would be the way to go so if there is a media blackout, that is why.
& it's probably also why Congress is disappointing even with more Democrats.
telling a story about a sick girl who died because her insurance company wouldn't cover surgery she needed.
Has a Maytag employee behind him who just lost his job to plant closing.
until we have a candidate with some backbone who can stand up to corporate greed, we will not have the change we all want to see in America.
Another benefit of Obama in the world is that he is not a white male. We have had alot of those and they are not very representative anymore of the country or the world.
I have his first book. Now maybe I'll read it.
J.E. talking about poverty, lack of health care, homelessness
There's a live chat right now about Iowa, so click on the Chat menu bar item and check in.
10:27 pm EST
"Caucus goers said enough is enough, we are better than this, we're not going to stand for this anymore."
matthew said
Ah - thankyou matthew - that's cleared up my concerns about her obscene use of money these past weeks.
Think of all the problems right now in Kenya. That's where Obama's dad was from and there is a very very popular Kenyan rap song called "Obama" - he's a hero in Africa already.
Also if the Republicans bring up his admitted youth drug experimentation and Obama is huge with the young, they are not going to care that much nor will they tend to be racist. As for his weak (so far) record re gays and lesbians, I'm sure a little "wink wink nudge nudge" will help that. That's what was said about Kerry's position against gay marriage. Given the two options, Obama is much better than any Republican.
My son is so jazzed. Not sure whether I am yet but I'm not unhappy. All attacks should be hit head-on with hard truths. No one should let the Pukes set the terms and the framing.
JFK was about the same age. If McCain wins in New Hampshire and gets Independents, it has to be considered that McCain is oooooold.
Plus I hadn't really seen him in the surf - maybe a younger man would be good for the country.
This is REALLY important
(The consequences in the courts from Bush--long term consequences)
Blogosphere was by and large for Edwards so here is an interesting diary from DKos, with guy making a good point about Obama's approach and hoping he isn't "a Lieberman in Kennedy's clothing." I doubt he is but I tend to be an optimist.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/3/21378/03439/136/430065
Ole Hillary just gave her speech:
She is looking forward to New Hampshire (LOL)
She got lots of money from her rich friends and she is going to continue on to New Hampshire.
I hope Edwards stays in the race... I like his issues - his speech was pretty serious (perhaps too serious for the general voter).. Obama has the charisma...
NMP
I am well aware of Obama's weakness on LGBT issues. He hired a black homophobic minister to reach out to black Christians, and a white gay minister to make up to the gay community.
What he just did was cementing homosexuality as a "white problem." Most immigrants here in Los Angeles do believe homosexuality to be a whites-only issue.
But you have a point - Obama will still be better on this issue than any Republican.
I do hope for continued strong showings by both Obama and Edwards. I think Richardson is the most qualified, but as Christy says, he is better suited to be a Cabinet member.
Sparrow,
You know what Hillary Clinton losing means, don't you?
We can stay in the Democratic party!!!! We might even vote straight ticket!!
Interesting answer to the previously posted Kos diary and also contains what is said to be a leaked copy of his victory speech, or has that already been given.
Anyway, like NPR said, the approach of community organizing based on locals is something Obama knew from his past experience in Chicago, and something different than what Dean did by bringing in young people from out of state. There are many kinds of experience.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/3/22251/16238
The first Diary is called "A Lesson for the Blogosphere" and this one is called "A Lesson for the Blogosphere - B#llshit" - which is why I don't normally go to DK much and certainly don't wade through their comments. They do focus on domestic politics though, so for that it's ok - many complaints recently about too many candidate diaries and suspected to be planted by campaign agents.
Tonight is when my ears start to perk up, since I don't watch tv and couldn't even pick Huckabee out in a crowd. I heard Ron Paul got 10% in Iowa though. Guess Huckabee got the social conservatives of Iowa in a caucus situation but that doesn't mean he can get the fiscal conservatives of New Hampshire in a primary situation. Hope it's not who my friend in OR calls "Dead Man McCain."
Hillary isn't knocked out yet but I don't think it will help her that the primaries are squished up closer in time. Things will happen very quicly now.
Meanwhile 9ui11iani will head to Florida and try to get the big delegate states like Florida and Gollifohnia.
Iowa is psychologically important because it speaks to electability but nothing is set in stone til early summer and it's all up to the Super Delegates. They Control Everything.
On the way home I was thinking that the Baptists vs the Mormons in the Republican party is kind of like the Shites and Sunnis - warring religious factions.
In that 2nd Kos diary the guy points out that at a Conservative Values convention Romney and Huckabee were among the people who thought certain places in Iraq such as Fallujah ought to just be wiped out - with nuclear bombs.
We must not fight amongst ourselves or quit the party - the remotest chance that someone like Huckleberry or Big Hair Romney would be our President is not something we can risk.
NMP said
But I also must stress that the Democrats must hold their line, and never capitulate.
It doesn't help the Democratic cause when they cave in on the war funding or ENDA. In fact, speaking of ENDA, when the Pope decides that gays are a threat to world peace, the Dems need to come out SWINGING and condemn it outright.
I predict Hillary will beat Barak. If not, I will support Huckabee. It's an Arkansas thing. Just kidding!
Chuck in Houston
Chuck to irc..chuck to irc...
Chuck
LOL :)
News reports say Obama won for today, sorry!
ally to irc..ally to irc...
Rudy Again Floats Idea Of Cheney As Vice President
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/giuliani-cheney-vp/
Well, Rudy scored really badly, so I can't see much chance of that happening rossi
Besides even the republican candidates don't want to be associated with the Bush administration - except for McCain who promises more of the same only extras. His percentage in IOWA was hopeless. Thank goodness.
"They Said This Day Would Never Come"
I call him a Wanker, Woz A Dead Beat, A Sleeze Bag, A deluded little creep, that okay Monkey?
Hell yeah he didn't even come onto the scales, only 2700 vote
Unfrikingbelievable
Now how many millions, will the USofA be ordered to pay for all the individuals that Georgie and his gang of thug tortured, Ohhhhh I forgot he has aready busted the Treasury of America.
Iran must pay family $466m
US judge orders Iran to pay for torture, slaying of former officer.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Judge_orders_Iran_pay_466_million_01032008.html
The real worry for the Democrats is that an Obama or Edwards win increasingly looks like a green light for a Bloomberg entry into the race. Bloomberg is estimated to be willing to spend as much as $1 billion of his own money to get elected. Depending on who the Republicans nominate, it looks to me like a sizeable portion of his vote comes from likely Democratic leaning voters in 2008. Just how much is, of course, impossible to know. Whereas Bush was a CEO-President in name only, a total and utter hype, Bloomberg would be able to legitimately claim that mantle, and level of experience.
My current thought is that Bloomberg has a chance to win, but likely not to successfully govern, if elected. Both parties would have an interest in undoing/descrediting his presidency - especially given the threat he represents to way that Washington currently operates.
kangaroo said
Well, that's a precedent set for when the courts of the world begin their charges against the American torturers and their seedy Commander in Chief.
January 01, 2008
ABC News' Kate McCarthy and Ed O'Keefe Report: In a late entry, the award for best political question in the most unusual circumstance goes to . . . Ryan Seacrest!
On ABC's "Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve", Republican turned Independent Mayor Michael Bloomberg told Seacrest in no uncertain terms that he will not make a bid for the Oval Office.
Seacrest, who more often finds himself in a tete-a-tete with Simon Cowell rather than the leader of Gotham, began the inquiry by commenting to Bloomberg's daughters, "I want your dad to answer this honestly. Will you run for president?"
Without hesitation, Bloomberg responded, "No, I will not run for president, but I will speak out to try to get people to really focus on the issues and to get rid of partisanship and special interests."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/bloomberg-denie.html
Evangelical Iowans choose one of their own
But can former Baptist minister Huckabee win outside friendly territory?
By LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
Fri., Jan. 4, 2008
WASHINGTON - Evangelical Republicans in Iowa chose one of their own in Mike Huckabee.
The question is whether the former Southern Baptist minister is strong enough to win outside friendly Iowa territory, and go the distance to the nomination.
-snip-
Values trump electability
In a poll conducted for The Associated Press of voters entering Iowa's caucuses, values and authenticity outranked electability in importance to Huckabee voters. Six in 10 of Huckabee's voters said the most important quality in picking a candidate was someone who shared their values.
A third of Huckabee's supporters said he says what he believes, while fewer than one in 20 said they thought he had the best chance of wining in November.
Faith was a determining factor for many Republican caucus participants.
More than eight in 10 Huckabee supporters said they are born again or evangelical Christians, compared to less than half of Romney's. Nearly two-thirds of Huckabee backers also said it was very important that their candidate share their religious beliefs, compared to about one in five of Romney's.
Nearly half his supporters consider themselves conservative — about the same as Romney's.
more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22493192/
No comment.
McCain in NH: Would Be "Fine" To Keep Troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years"
The United States military could stay in Iraq for "maybe a hundred years" and that "would be fine with me," John McCain told two hundred or so people at a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire, on Thursday evening. Toward the end of this session, which was being held shortly before the Iowa caucuses were to start, McCain was confronted by Dave Tiffany, who calls himself a "full-time antiwar activist." In a heated exchange, Tiffany told McCain that he had looked at McCain's campaign website and had found no indication of how long McCain was willing to keep U.S. troops in Iraq. Arguing that George W. Bush's escalation of troops has led to a decline in U.S. casualties, McCain noted that the United States still maintains troops in South Korea and Japan. He said he had no objection to U.S. soldiers staying in Iraq for decades, "as long as Americans are not being injured, harmed or killed."
After the event ended, I asked McCain about his "hundred years" comment, and he reaffirmed the remark, excitedly declaring that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for "a thousand years" or "a million years," as far as he was concerned. The key matter, he explained, was whether they were being killed or not: "It's not American presence; it's American casualties." U.S. troops, he continued, are stationed in South Korea, Japan, Europe, Bosnia, and elsewhere as part of a "generally accepted policy of America's multilateralism." There's nothing wrong with Iraq being part of that policy, providing the government in Baghdad does not object.
In other words, McCain does not equate victory in Iraq--which he passionately urges at campaign events--with the removal of U.S. troops from that nation. After McCain told Tiffany that he could see troops remaining in Iraq for a hundred years, a reporter sitting next to me quipped, "There's the general election campaign ad." He meant the Democratic ad: John McCain thinks it would be okay if U.S. troops stayed in Iraq for another hundred years.....
more...
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6735_mccain_in_nh_wo.html
I just gave a little bit of money to Obama and a little bit of money to Edwards...
It will be interesting to see how the polls in New Hampshire shift after seeing what happened in Iowa.
Hey ralpheh,
Shift happens.
... or in the Hucksters case,
Holy Shift!
Go Obama! Go John!!!
I am still so freaking stoked right now.
Oh, and I think we should all be nice and tell Mrs. Clinton...
GOODBYE HILLARY!
HAHAHAHA! AHHH HAHAHA!
"I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead." - Hillary Clinton, post caucus comments
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/clinton_remarks_iowa_caucus_01032008.html
One thing for sure, the balance of power just shifted hugely, it may be enough to break the blackout.
Obama could help that greatly, depending on how blunt he chooses to be.
Anyone seen Chris Matthews? Or did he commit suicide when his man crush ghoullianni went down in FLAMES?
HAHAHA! It has been TOO DAMN LONG since we had a reason to hope.
I can't remember being MORE relieved or comforted in a long long time.
A black man fathered by Africa, a white mother, a muslim name and an ivy league education. Not to mention how freaking easy he is too look at.
I think he is BEAUTIFUL!
Is New Hampshire as white as Iowa is?
I know South Carolina is heavy with black voters, but I don't know jack about New Hampshire.
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Monkey, I do believe your table for 1 just became mine.
And while I am here having a whole conversation by myself, I would like to just finish off by saying...
LEAVE BRITNEY ALOOOOONNNEEE! LEAVE ER' AH-LONE!
Huckleberry is about to be eaten ALIVE!
No, not by a dem, by other REPELLICANS! It has already began! HAHA!
Enjoy.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/04/breaking-news-from-iowa-religious-right-found-to-have-influence-in-gop/
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