NH Primary, The Battle Continues...

I intentionally left off McCain, Huckabee, Paul, and Kucinich. Mostly due to the fact that I have a poor excuse for a photoshop program!

But also due to the fact that some of the drawings are extra mean to the candidates and I don't like that.

Please leave off McCain. I fear we will be seeing enough of his ugly mug in the near future. He is the only candidate I really care to bash. That guy would have us fighting Iran in a heartbeat. Bush is over in the middle east, ships are provoking each other in the Strait of Hormuz. We don't want McCain anywhere near the Oval Office. I am not championing a candidate tonight. I am to McCain as Ralpheh is to Hillary. I would sooner see Ron Paul take the Republican trophy in New Hampshire. Wouldn't that shake up the 'Pukes?

John Nichols | The Mad-Money Primary Race
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010808N.shtml
John Nichols, of The Nation, writes: "The current nominating process is so antithetical to grassroots activism in any but a handful of states that the best bet is that the two nominees will be more in tune with big donors and Washington consultants than with base voters or the zeitgeist. The front-loading has made Iowa eccentrics and check-writing cynics even more supreme than they already were."

If you're tired of the candidate battles and don't feel like battling blog-friends, take a long swing through the battlebot links at youtube. At least watching them cut each other down and send each other flying has more distance from reality than the candidates vying for our vote do.

I discovered this link while trying to find a Huckabee caricature. Apparently, the author seems to think that a drawing isn't necessary because he 'just is' a caricature. (Huckabee supporters will be pleased to know that the author put Lamont in the same category.)

http://kaybrooks.blogspot.com/2007/12/caricatures-and-conservatives.html

OMG Look what foe news just got caught doing..

http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2008/01/luntz-upon-time.html

More on the scary Iran thing.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005033.php

This is why I don't want McCain in the Oval Office, with his friend Lieberman the Hawk advising him and kissing on him.

Pentagon Won't Probe KBR Rape Charges

DoD IG Says the Justice Dept. Is Still Investigating the Alleged Gang-Rape

The Defense Department's top watchdog has declined to investigate allegations that an American woman working under an Army contract in Iraq was raped by her co-workers.

The case of former Halliburton/KBR employee Jamie Leigh Jones gained national attention last month. An ABC News investigation revealed how an earlier investigation into Jones' alleged gang-rape in 2005 had not resulted in any prosecution, and that neither Jones nor Democratic and Republican lawmakers have been able to get answers from the Bush administration...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4099514&page=1

Obama Family in Kenya Watches US Vote

A photograph taken in 1987 of U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama and his grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama hangs in her home in the village of Nyagoma-Kogelo, western Kenya, Tuesday, Jan. 8, 2008. Barack Obama phoned Kenya's opposition leader as diplomatic attempts to end Kenya's political crisis intensified Tuesday.(AP Photo/Darko Bandic)

KOGELO, Kenya — At the end of a dusty, dirt road lined with mango and mimosa trees, Barack Obama's Kenyan relatives sat outside on plastic chairs surrounded by chickens and drying corn kernels, listening to radio reports from New Hampshire.
Kogelo, the western Kenyan home village of Barack Obama's father, has been spared the political and ethnic violence that has erupted elsewhere in this country following a disputed presidential election. But it was just 90 minutes' drive from a town where torched, ransacked and looted buildings bear testimony to the clashes, and the turmoil in Kenya, as well as his nephew's success in the U.S., was on Said Obama's mind.
Said Obama said his nephew "has proved to be a beacon of hope here and shown that even in difficult circumstances you can make it to the highest height of achievement with just determination and hard work."
Obama's father, also named Barack Obama, won a scholarship to a university in Hawaii, where he met and married Obama's American mother. The two separated and Obama's father returned to Kenya, where he worked as a government economist until he died in a car crash in 1982.
If Barack Obama were in Kenya today, he would "work with the leadership to bring them to a round table and find a solution to the problems that have been ravaging the country," his uncle said.
Barack Obama's forays into diplomacy have touched on Kenya, most recently on Monday when he spoke with Raila Odinga for about five minutes from New Hampshire, asking the opposition leader to meet directly with President Mwai Kibaki, said the U.S. politician's spokesman.
"He urged an end to violence and that Mr. Odinga sit down, without preconditions, with President Kibaki to resolve this issue peacefully," said the spokesman, Bill Burton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080108/kenya-obama/

Manufacturing Consent For War With Iran?

U.S. Says Iranian Gunboats Harassed Warships

By Jim Miklaszewski - NBC News

Iranian Revolutionary Guard gunboats harassed three U.S. Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz Sunday, in what the U.S. military officials described as a "significant provocative act."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19013.htm

Iran 'did not harass US warships' : The US vessels approached the Iranian boats in the Persian Gulf on Sunday, warning they were in the red zone, the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Press TV on Monday.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=37833§ionid=351020101

The Bilderberg Group - Rulers of the World

"The war is not against Bin Laden. We are the enemy"

- Audio -

Interview with investigator and author, Daniel Estulin, on his book, "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group", which describes an annual gathering where the European and American political elite, and the wealthiest CEOs of the world, all come together to discuss the economic and political future of humanity. Highly secretive, the press has never been allowed to attend, nor have statements ever been released on the group's conclusions or discussions. Also discussed are the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19016.htm

9-11 Cover-Up, Treason and The Bomb

In a new article just published Saturday in the Times of London based upon information provided by US government whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, we have not only solid evidence of prior knowledge of 9-11 by high up US government officials, but evidence of treasonous activity by many of those same officials involving efforts to provide US nuclear secrets to America’s enemies, even including Al Qaeda.

The story also casts a chilling light on the so-called “accidental” flight of six nuclear-armed cruise missiles aboard an errant B-52 that flew last Aug. 30 from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Shreveport, Louisiana.

The Sunday Times reports that Edmonds, whose whistleblowing efforts have been studiously ignored by what passes for the news media in American news media, approached the Rupert Murdoch-owned British paper a month ago after reading a report there that an Al-Qaeda leader had been training some of the 9-11 hijackers at a base in Turkey, a US NATO alley, under the noses of the Turkish military.

Edmonds, who was recruited by the FBI after 9-11 because of her Turkish and Farsi language skills, has long been claiming that in her FBI job of covertly monitoring conversations between Turkish, Israeli, Persian and other foreign agents and US contacts, including a backlog of untranslated tapes dating back to 1997, she had heard evidence of “money laundering, drug imports and attempts to acquire nuclear and conventional weapons technology.” But the Turkish training for 9-11 rang more alarm bells and made her decide that talking behind closed doors to Congress or the FBI was not enough. She had to go public.

Edmonds claims in the Times that even as she was providing evidence of moles within the US State Department, the Pentagon, and the nuclear weapons establishment, who were providing nuclear secrets for cash, through Turkey, to Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, agencies within the Bush administration were actively working to block investigation and to shield those who were committing the acts of treason.

http://www.opednews.com:80/articles/genera_dave_lin_080107_9_11_cover_up_2c_treas.htm

That may explain THIS Kangaroo...

Bush Supports Turkey Bid to Join EU
By WILLIAM C. MANN – 38 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush gave Turkey's bid to join the European Union a glowing endorsement on Tuesday and called the Islamic nation a "constructive bridge" between the West and the Muslim world, offering a much-needed boost to U.S.-Turkish relations.

"I think Turkey sets a fantastic example for nations around the world to see where it's possible to have a democracy coexist with a great religion like Islam and that's important," he said.

Bush spoke to reporters following a meeting with Turkish President Abdullah Gul. The two appeared together on the South Lawn, where Bush said he supported Turkey's efforts to fight the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK rebels, in northern Iraq.

Bush called the PKK an enemy to Turkey, Iraq and "to people who want to live in peace."

Gul's visit to the White House is seen as a major sign of improved relations between the two NATO allies after five years of acrimony over the Iraq war and U.S. policy on Turkey's fight against Kurdish rebels.

more...
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVlpEWcX_bvmHkBTvXSgMQNJl21wD8U1S2I00

In Gul's first visit to the White House as Turkish president, the two leaders also discussed energy issues and the Kurdistan Workers Party, which Bush called "a common enemy."

"It's an enemy to Turkey, it's an enemy to Iraq and it's an enemy to people who want to live in peace. The United States, along with Turkey, are confronting these folks and we will continue to confront them for the sake of peace," Bush said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN08496498

Confrontation for Peace, kinda has a folksy ring to it, don't it?

Dick.

Monkey, will you be around in maybe 2 hours?

Nevermind, just check back here whenever and I'll link you up.

Bush supports Turkey to join the EU? Well the EU doesn't support Turkey to join the EU. First of all, most of it is in Asia, not Europe. Second of all, it has enough people and size to be disproportionately represented and poor enough that it would upset the balance moreso than east Germany or eastern Europe. Thirdly, it doesn't fit in well religiously or culturally, even though part of Istanbul is sort of European and it's one of the more secular countries in that region. What business is it of Bush's anyway?

What a pleasure to come here at lunch and see not a bunch of lame candidate diaries and Dem infighting but some really interesting foreign-policy related information to "connect the dots" with!

It's so seldom people report on the Bilderberg group but they always meet before G8 and the press in some cases may be allowed (selected individuals) to meet with the bankers and royals but they are sworn to secrecy.

& sounds like some possible interesting connections between what Sibel Edmunds is reporting re. Turkey and the wheeling and dealing Bush is doing now possibly. Not to mention the mention of the errant cruise missiles from ND! For a good conspiracy, someone please explain why a larger number than usual of Air Force personnel disappeared or had accidents shortly thereafter.

That is a good conspiracy. Because what they said happened with those live nukes CAN NOT happen.

They punished what? Like 60 people? yeah, ok whatever.

Oh, and the dead people.

I vote conspiracy. There is no such thing as a coincidence involving thermonuclear weapons.

Christy... "no such thing as a coincidence involving thermonuclear weapons."

It doesn't quite roll off the tongue like "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades", but I think you have a point!

Turkey has serious human rights issues.

It's not a country I would feel comfortable visiting, and it's not EU caliber yet (if ever).

And W is the least qualified to call Islam a "great religion."

not my president Author Profile Page said:

By the way, Obama is huge here in Seattle (as was Dean last time) and Edwards is pretty big too (as was Clark last time). Clinton has her own people (as did Kerry). All of that is pretty separate from the primaries because after SuperTuesday everyone has to go with

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As long as we are gossiping about the candidates, this is what I heard in my Rustbelt City about Obama. I don't know if this is true or how true it is etc... I heard that Blacks are reluctant to support Obama because;

They fear that Obama, if nominated for president, will be assassinated... (by some Neo Nazi type presumably)

Bush administration blogging Mideast trip
Will showcase musings from those traveling with Bush on eight-day trip

WASHINGTON (AP) - Everybody's doing it, so why not the White House? President Bush's team is joining the blogosphere, planning regular postings during his Mideast trip.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Tuesday that the feature will be called "Trip Notes from the Middle East" and will showcase periodic musings from senior members of Bush's staff who are traveling with him on the eight-day trip. Bush leaves Tuesday evening to visit Israel, the Palestinian territories, Kuwait, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The blog can be found on http://www.whitehouse.gov.

"This is new to us," Perino said. She called it "just a little bit of a blog."

It's not clear yet how often new postings will go up. Hopefully daily, Perino said, "but we'll just see how the trip goes." Participants are likely to include chief of staff Josh Bolten, national security adviser Stephen Hadley, counselor Ed Gillespie, chief speechwriter Bill McGurn, Perino and others.

And it seemed the venture could be a test run for similar features to come, which would come in handy whenever the media's accounts of the president's activities veer from the preferred White House account.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22557437/

Well, they found another way to control the news...

YouTube gaining importance re politics - Ralpheh et al? Time not wasted.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/us/politics/07web-seelye.html?ref=politics

Ralpheh
People should not be that wierd about Obama and assassination. All Presidents and candidates are in danger of assassination. That's why they have Secret Service, snipers, no planes overhead etc. We are past the JFK RFK and LBJ days when candidates could walk around without an entourage, hold babies etc. Obama got SS protection very early in the campaign.

Hey I said SS - I meant Secret Service. Didn't Hitler have something called SS?

High risk of assassination is the reason my father quotes as reason for being uneasy about Obama. He (a hardcore Republican) likes Obama otherwise.

NMP

Yes, the Nazis had SS - Schutzstaffel (Protective Squadron) to be exact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

Hey Monkey.

http://christysartblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/john-lennon.html

Away from message:::

Labrador shoots its owner dead

9:34am: AN overexcited labrador dog has shot and killed its owner during a goose-hunting trip, leaving a series of muddy paw-prints on the shotgun.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23026885-2,00.html

Cash-Starved Clinton Considers Skipping Next Primaries

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/08/clinton-allies-may-dump-m_n_80460.html

How can she be cash starved, for Gods sake she had 100 million, even she could not spend so much money in such a short time could she.

Well I have turned the box on for the first time, am going into watch the primaries.

I still say all Presidents nowdays are in danger of assassination. No matter how popular, they are going to piss off someone. I think it's an Equal Opportunity Risk. Also there are nuts and stalkers, as for any type of "rock star" (musician, athlete etc.)

Just reading bits and pieces about Bush's trip - sounds like Israel is threatening that they would try to take out Iran's "nukes" even if we don't, which sounds like blackmail. Similarly, his enmity with the PKK in Turkey may be timed to raise sympathy against Iran, which is timed with Cheney's trying to undermine Condi & also with taking ships very close to Iranian shores in the Strait of Hormuz. "Lame duck" has something up his sleeve, maybe.

Ally,
I felt pretty comfortable visiting Turkey - probably have to be careful but that's true most anywhere any more. I was tired once and these guys came out of a shop and gave me pillows to sit on and tea. "We love everyone," they said, "We're not trying to sell you carpets. You look tired."

CNN Exit Polls... read all about THEM

January 8, 2008

Early exit polls: GOP feelings on Bush administration
Posted: 05:51 PM ET

Which comes closest to your feelings about the Bush administration?:

New Hampshire Republican primary voters

Enthusiastic – 10 percent

Satisfied, but not enthusiastic – 40 percent

Dissatisfied, but not angry – 33 percent

Angry – 16 percent

Source: CNN Exit Poll preliminary results

Early exit polls: GOP feelings on Bush policies
Posted: 05:50 PM ET

Should the next president:

Generally continue George W. Bush’s policies – 18 percent
New Hampshire Republican primary voters

Change to more conservative policies – 51 percent

Change to less conservative policies – 24 percent

Source: CNN Exit Poll preliminary results

Early exit polls: Dems' feelings toward Bush admin.

Posted: 05:39 PM ET

Which comes closest to your feelings about the Bush administration?:

New Hampshire Democratic primary voters

Enthusiastic – 2 percent
Satisfied, but not enthusiastic – 4 percent
Dissatisfied, but not angry – 28 percent
Angry – 65 percent

Source: CNN Exit Poll preliminary results

Early exit polls: Top issues
Posted: 05:19 PM ET

New Hampshire Democratic primary voters:

1. The economy
2. The war in Iraq
3. Health care

New Hampshire Republican primary voters:

1. The economy
2. The war in Iraq
3. Terrorism
4. Illegal immigration

Source: CNN Exit Poll preliminary results

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Kangaroo said:

Labrador shoots its owner dead

9:34am: AN overexcited labrador dog has shot and killed its owner during a goose-hunting trip, leaving a series of muddy paw-prints on the shotgun.

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Oh PLEEEEZ let that be Dick Cheney's dog!

irc open for primary chatter or just chit chat about anything you'd like.

I'm sort of back and forth, but maybe others will join. Just log in and WAIT if nobody responds.

Sooner or later more will show up.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Ohio Sen. George Voinovich, a key moderate Republican in the Senate chamber and influential member of the Foreign Relations Committee, scoffed Tuesday when asked if Sen. Barack Obama has the foreign policy chops to be the next president.

"He hasn't any experience in foreign policy. Give me a break," Voinovich said of his colleague from Illinois, who also serves on the Foreign Relations Committee.

Many people think it would be good to have "somebody that was of his background" become president, Voinovich said, because it would be a "good message in terms of culture."

But Voinovich warned "things are very fragile in this world" and "we're pinned down all over the place. It's not going to be an easy deal for our next president to come in and deal with these problems.

"Between now and the election there are going to be many things that are going to happen in this country that will have an influence on people's choice in terms of who the next president will be,' Voinovich said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/08/4286/

Kangaroo - hooray for the labrador. Let's hear it for the goose that got away!

I'm in irc - wanting to hear about the voting. I don't know what rossi's watching it on. sure isn't on tv down here in Tassie.

Some good kids programs tho

Chris Matthews appeared on MSNBC's Morning Joe on the morning of the New Hampshire primary to describe how he expects the Democratic Party establishment to destroy Barack Obama's candidacy and ensure the nomination for Hillary Clinton.

"There's a battle in the Democratic Party between the idealists and the interest groups," Matthews began. "And in the beginning of every Democratic campaign for president, there's an idealist who comes forward ... and they do very well in the first offing. ... And then the interest groups get all called in, the meal tickets, all the people that get something out of the party are bussed in, trucked in from out of town ... and they blow away the idealist."

"It has been done so many times," he continued. "Kill the fire of insurgency. And when that's killed, then you go back to the same old interest group politics."

"Once in a while, someone comes along and shakes things up," Matthews acknowledged. "It's a phenomenal thing. And it's going on now. It'll go on through tonight. But at some time, it's going to be really challenged by the forces of the establishment, by the status quo, by the interest groups and the big-money contributors, and they're going to try to put this fire out."

"They will find some way to counter this power. You watch it. It's scorched earth, but the establishment in American politics almost always wins. ... All the people around the Clintons ... are getting together to try to figure out how to stop this. These are pros, who win year after year.

"They are under threat right now, because if Obama wins, they lose," Matthews went on, turning aside Scarborough's suggestions that this year the dynamics might be different. "If you think it's going to happen, then you are definitely a dreamer. Maybe I am too. But I've seen this dream die so many times."

"They'll play on every heartstring. They'll make Hillary a more sympathetic figure," Matthews predicted, saying that between now and Super Tuesday on February 5, the newspapers will fall over themselves to give us "the new Hillary, the softer Hillary, the humble Hillary."

"The fawning journalism is yet to come," concluded Matthews. "It's absolutely predictable. ... Oh, it's coming!"

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Chris_Matthews_predicts_establishment_to_defeat_0108.html

Rawstory.com : Early results tighter than expected Obama, Clinton locked

Chris Matthews and surpisingly Keith Olbermann took Dee Dee Myers to task a while ago because, as a guest invited on to analyze what the Clinton campaign needs to do, she said she didn't believe that Hillary was the front runner a year ago.

Matthews got totally indignant - couldn't believe that she would say that - and they carried on with it long after Dee Dee was off.

These guys believe their own spin so much that they have no clue that they created her as the front runner.

Not a single person I know for has, in the past year, said that Hillary was their candidate (except Chuck :0). Now I don't know everyone in the country, but I always had a hard time believing she was the frontrunner. They were calling her the front runner before anyone else was even in the race! She might have had the most name recognition, but that means little.

Anyway - they treated Dee Dee like crap. It was crazy to watch.

Does anyone know if it's an 'open primary'? (ie can you vote once but on either ticket?)

Oh PLEEEEZ let that be Dick Cheney's dog!

ahahahahahaha

woz its on cnn

woz its on cnn

come on in to the irc, people!

Chat with us!

they have declared it for McCain at 37% 9000

notice Clinton is at 40% 1700 Obama is at 36% 1400and look at the difference with the numbers Dem and Gop

I will need a drink to handle the news about McCain.

Whatever the Democrats in New Hampshire decide to do is fine with me - they have put thought and energy into it and brave the cold.

McCain though bums me out thoroughly.

About Clinton, she doesn't have so much support in Seattle but I have met people up in Everett who support her big time that I didn't even suspect previously were Democrats - mostly blue collar patriotic religious everyday people, mostly a little older. They take the experience thing over the change thing.

Interesting to read the Chris Matthews comments. First thing I've ever heard him say that didn't sound pre-programmed. Of course, I haven't heard him that much since I so seldom watch tv.

Well, I would like to support Hillary or any of our candidates. They want it then they better be supporting criminal charges against Bush, Cheney , etc... limiting executive power, returning Habeous, give UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, end torture, stop the bleeding of jobs to the slave labor over seas.

I want GOOD progressive legislation. AND NEVER should Bush and Cheney be off the hook.

While Clinton cozy's up to GWB and GHB, then she isn't getting my vote. It's bad enough that everything leads back to the BCCI investigation that Clinton stopped in 92.

Associated Press have declared for Hilliary

Horrible news...

I am thinking of quitting this whole pathetic game...

1) The war in Iraq will continue another 4 years (at least), it is likely that with Clinton or McCain winning the presidency there will be a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq

2) Bush and Cheney will remain in office until January, 2009

3) There will be no impeachment hearings in the House, despite all our efforts....

4) The economy will languish for the middle and lower classes, while the high-rollers will continue to accumulate more and more wealth

what is the point? I am tired of losing in every campaign, tired of the low level of debate... why bother with 10 or 15 of us talking here at DCP... nothing happens

The Democratic party in Michigan stinks - it's corrupt, lazy, and dominated by the dying blue collar unions...

Well this is a good lesson not to trust the media and polls.

It is still early - no one has won yet. Too much of a steamroller effect for any one candidate would not result in them being thoroughly vetted.

Whoever it is needs to be strong to withstand the Republican onslaught in the general election.

Jerusalem lights to go out so Bush can enjoy sunrise

JERUSALEM (AFP) — Lights in the Old City of Jerusalem will be turned off before dawn this week so visiting US President George W. Bush can get a better view of the sun rising over its ancient walls.

Bush, who arrives in the Middle East on Wednesday for a visit lasting more than a week, had made a request to watch the sun rise over the Old City from his suite at the King David Hotel, a municipal spokesman said on Tuesday.

To make the scene more dramatic, the authorities have decided to turn off the lights illuminating the limestone walls before dawn on Thursday and Friday, the spokesman told reporters.

The gesture is just one of several that Bush's Israeli hosts will extend to the president of their main ally during his landmark three-day visit this week -- the first by a sitting US president to Israel and the Palestinian territories in nine years.

Awaiting Bush at his King David suite -- reportedly costing 2,600 dollars a night -- will be a white terry bathrobe embroidered with his name in gold, local media have reported.

Israeli television broadcast footage of the garment throughout the day on Tuesday.

And the main highway leading into Jerusalem from the west -- already plagued by traffic problems -- will be completely closed in one direction for an hour on Wednesday after Bush arrives to allow the unhindered passage of the convoy containing his hundreds-strong entourage.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iO971T168RWLKLSvdFxIMBAhaL2g

NMP apparently voters didn't have to brave the cold in NH - it was "unseasonably warm" apparently.

Settle down ralpheh. Clinton came 3rd last time, 1st this time. But this time Uni students weren't around - holidays. So, Hillary's win is just that - a one off.

she says hopefully

Meanwhile, exit polls showed 37 percent of those who cast a Republican ballot Tuesday identified themselves as independents, and McCain got the votes of 39 percent of them, compared with 27 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who finished second Tuesday. Romney and McCain were almost even among those who identified themselves as Republicans, with 33 and 34 percent, respectively.

I-Reporter Bob Sinkiewicz, an independent, said he was tempted to cast a Democratic ballot for Obama, but was swayed by McCain's experience and consistent message.

-snip-

Exit polls found 64 percent of Tuesday's Republican voters still support the conflict -- and Romney, whose criticism of Bush's management of the war has been muted, led McCain among those voters. But among the 34 percent who said they disapproved of the war, McCain had a wide advantage over the GOP field -- even over Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the sole advocate of a U.S. withdrawal in the Republican field.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/08/nh.issues/index.html

I still contend, people do NOT know what they are voting for...

NMP,

Please email me your street addy again, I can't find your old email with it.

As soon as I get it I will send Amy on her way.

(PS. Don't worry about the shipping, it's covered).

OMG, did anyone see McCain's "victory speech" last night?

I swear, it was the worst public speaking by a politician I think I may have ever seen... and with Bush, that's saying something.

He was reading from a prepared script, in complete monotone, stammering like someone who just learned how to read, with ZERO emotion or inflection... and he has this incredibly annoying propensity to start sentences with the term "My friends", over and over and over again.

Plus, his face barely moves, and the left side of his cheek is twice the size of the right side (I know he's had skin cancer et al, but he looks like the crypt keeper).

Last night was disheartening on so many levels.

Christy
I'll get you that info when I get home - things are blocked for me here. If you have your return on there I'll get the check in the mail immediately. Cool!

New Thread.

Long, yes.

Important--bigger yes!