Poll Day-- Monday

TPM mentioned that an overzealous Hillary supporter paid to get push polls out in advance of Super Tuesday.

I was a Gary Hart delegate. Like Condi Rice, I supported Gary Hart and worked for him but unlike her, I didn't abandon him. I pledged to be undecided til the generals and all opinions are mine personally, not those of this website, which does not endorse candidates. It meant alot to me when Kerry and Kennedy (& then Caroline, Ethel and Maria) endorsed Obama, when he appeared with Oprah and Stevie Wonder, when the Black Eyed Peas' William put out a beautiful video putting his words to music, when the Grateful Dead are reuniting tonight for him, and Joan Baez has made an unprecedented political endorsement despite decades of intense peace work. Now Gary Hart has endorsed Obama and has linked it directly to the war vote.

This may be the most powerful endorsement yet, not in terms of people listening, but in terms of speaking truth to power.

Gary Hart endorses Obama: (it's also at Huffington Post but I put a nice painting with it)

http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/02/pearl-jam-membe.html

Sparrow
I did go back and read your reply under the last thread. I do have a very mixed feeling of hope and excitement and dread. I do not trust these desperate neocons and they will cheat even more insiduously and attack even more nauseatingly when there are young, seniors, workers, minorities, women voting for someone they believe in and/or against a group that has failed, discouraged, neglected and even hurt them. Others will vote FOR those who oppressed them, still clinging to lies and myths.
The voting machine issue has not been solved and that's the tip of the iceberg. We need a landslide. We need a miracle.

You know "I need a miracle" was always what people said when they wanted to get into a Grateful Dead concert and didn't have a ticket. The Grateful Dead are reuniting for just tonight, for an Obama benefit in SF. Many know Joan Baez has never before endorsed a candidate, but not that the same is true of the Grateful Dead.

I think there is a combination of hope and desperation. We can't just stop voting, though it may seem like a farce. We are not the only country on the planet with kangaroo courts and a banana republic voting system. That's one reason I call myself a Global Citizen and not a Patriot (too nationalistic). That's one reason I believe in All Gods or no god. I am not taking sides.

Last night someone sent me one of those emails with three negative stories about France - the type of thing where if not for us, they would be speaking German, they can't make planes like we can etc etc. I expected more of this person. We had gone to see Michael Moore together. I thought I knew something of her politics.

Here is what I wrote back:

I've been to France 10x and have been treated as a Queen.I love France and the French, particularly Paris. Like the US, they have
their rednecksand fascists (think Le Pen), their homophobics and xenophobics and their fools. I am not fond of their new President and his new wife who just honeymooned in Versailles but I have alot of faith in the French people. France and US had our Revolutions from tyrants at about the same time and were friends then. Our Consitutions are very similar. I have had drinks in Le Procope, one of the oldest bars in Paris, where Ben Franklin used to hang out.

Those stories are the kind of propaganda I grew up on - nice sounding andmake somefeel good but make no sense in terms of my desire to be a global citizenfirst, a nationalist last.

---What does that story have to do with voting? We can't give up. We need someone more diplomatic in office or we are going to get attacked again and end up in more wars. We are lied to that we are being kept safe by having to show our papers and pay for endless death abroad (while our infrastructure crumbles here). We have to keep fighting and voting is only part of it. That's why Joan Baez worked for peace but never endorsed a candidate.

Poor Elizabeth worked every waking hour since before the 2004 election for ballot integrity. She worked hard for Edwards because he was the candidate who actually discussed this and she is hurting now because both Clinton and Obama have unsuitable policies (according to her and some others) re nuclear waste disposal and did not take as much lead re poverty. I understand how it's hard for her to be excited about either candidate.

Others, including myself, wanted Kucinich, Dodd, Richardson, Biden, Feingold etc. and I only in the last week was able to break out of this. I did not have a preference between Obama and Clinton - I saw them as same but in some ways apples and oranges also. I can understand how my mother, who is 22 years older than I, still fervently wants the first woman president while she is alive and why my son, who is 29 years younger, wants someone with less "baby boomer battle baggage." (That refers to the push/pull between Kennedy/LBJ - Nixon, Carter - Reagan, Clinton - Bush etc)

Any suggestions for what we can do IN ADDITION to voting are appreciated. The whole thing about Blackwell and Katharine Harris and all that is still so depressing. I still get horrible election night 2004 deja vu.

HILLARY IN TROUBLE ON HER IRAQ WAR VOTES/

KEITH OLBERMANN EXPLAINS:

NMP

Whoever wrote those anti-French comments that your friend forwarded is living in an alternate world - like all those "NOTW" Christian extremists.

Airbus has been kicking Boeing's behind for years - and it stopped only because they blundered on the A380 jumbo. Talk all about Airbus being on corporate welfare, but so is Boeing (military contracts).

And if it weren't for the French, we would still be subjects of the Monarch of England. We simply returned the favor by liberating the French from the Germans.

Of course I am NO fan of Sarko (just like Fox and Calderon in Mexico, Sarko baited transpeople too), but that's completely beside the point, and the French people themselves are having a buyer's remorse over Sarko too. Just like we did over W's second win. I still believe that the Socialists need to come up with a much better candidate/platform than Sego Royal next time.

I've known plenty of anti-French progressives, and they blamed France's Catholic reputation to start. Sarko would be the icing on the cake.

Voting for the oppressors: judging by the number of half-demolished Civics and Kias with W bumper stickers (and the requisite Christian revival sticker too) in my neighborhood, there are still many out there.

Of course, you know I am totally with you on the global citizen first, patriot second bit. Especially when the country/ies I am supposed to be loyal to are KNOWN to be acting AGAINST the best interests of the human race as a whole.

Kerry diary on Obama
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/4/12839/33827/5/449511

I was convinced by the positivity of endorsers, not someone attacking the other candidates (even if I partially agreed with them)

I had to comment:

Dear John, from DiAnne in Seattle (0 / 0)

Endorsements matter to me.

I believe in Ted Kennedy and his career voting record. He endorsed you. I was one of the national moderators on your blog.

I believe in you. You (& Ted) endorsed Barack Obama and I joined up.

I was a Gary Hart delegate. He endorsed you and Obama.

The Grateful Dead is reuniting tonight for Obama. Joan Baez has endorsed Obama. Though politically active, they have not endorsed candidates before.

Something is happening.

My son first alerted me to your campaign after Gore pulled out.
He has been an Obama supporter since he heard he might run.
He was 21 when he met you on a bus to Tacoma and he is 26 now, and has finished a degree in political science.

He just saw you speak an University of Washington.

We need to get those young people out to vote and everyone else to climb on and help!

Link to TPM mentioned above...

The LA Times Top of the Ticket blog finds evidence of what appears to be Clinton push-polling against Obama in California. The Clinton camp is yet to respond.

Late Update: A closer review suggests some skepticism about this story. The 'push-poll' reportedly was 20 minutes long, which is much longer than is ever cost-effective for a push-poll. And the Times seemed to go with this with a single person who claimed to have gotten the call. I should have scrutinized the LAT post more closely.

The "I should have..." was from Josh Marshall. But it does go to show that all of us need to be careful when spreading info from one site to the next.

There is no way a pollster could keep me on the phone for 20 minutes - not even if it was John Depp.

Me too, I love the French!

And, is there any poll left that can be trusted today?

We should have our nominee by tommorrow night...right?

nmp,

I've been on the phone that long being polled. I've also been push polled--though not in this campaign.

But I've also done polling at a local firm and there was one poll that was 20-30 min. depending on the answers. (It was a health poll.)

You can imagine peoples' reactions when the call lasted that long!

I quit taking calls from pollsters here when I was asked if I 'approved' of abortion. Then they distorted a question about 'protecting marriage'. That was the last time I tried to participate.

You know, I think if a gay person can 'threaten' your marriage, it probably isn't a very good marriage. Oh, and you also must be gay.

That pollster really did not like being told I thought he was gay. And a bad husband.

If I am not mistaken, that was David Vitters campaighn. Yes, that vitter, the diapered whoremonger.

Sparrow
But you like to talk on the phone more .. I'm really ADHD when it comes to phone.

Alec Baldwin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/defeating-john-mccain-and_b_84815.html
Down with McCain

NMP,

You misunderstand, I think. I meant I was one of those pollsters. And it wasn't just because I liked to talk on the phone, though I certainly do get chatty on the phone or email when the mood hits.

But being a pollster was hard. Respondants could be combative, impatient, rude, and even threatening.

So I meant just to say that a twenty minute poll is rare but doesn't make it fake.

Christy

At my previous SoCal address, my state assemblyman (the most virulent right-wing Repuke in the state assembly) also had a loaded questionnaire for me to fill out and return. It asked if homosexuality is an "acceptable alternative lifestyle."

I returned it blank, with a criticism of how loaded his questionnaire was.

My address was gerrymandered into a moderate Democratic district shortly thereafter, but my family moved to an even more Republican district shortly afterwards, where we remain today.

sparrow

I've worked as a pollster myself - a four-day temp job.

It is the worst white-collar job there is. I am supposed to call people at midnight if I need two more responses for a questionnaire. And to get those two, I have to call 150 really PO'd people - nobody likes to be polled at midnight.

And unlike sales calls, which are illegal after a certain time of evening, polls are completely legal anytime.

FBI wants database of Americans' physical traits; palm prints, eye scans, tattoo mapping

FBI officials this week are expected to announce a $1 billion contract for the creation of a massive database of people's characteristics -- from eye patterns to palm prints. The agency says it's needed to track terrorists and other criminals. One privacy advocate says it's the start of "surveillance society."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/fbi.biometrics/index.html

Sparrow
Oh yeah .. I've done phone work .. on and off work.
It can be tough.

A friend just walked his neighborhood for Obama.
Said he got alot of enthusiasm and a few slammed doors.
What a country, he said.

monkey

I am more than ever convinced that 9/11 was allowed to happen, or even STAGED, just so that W could create his Orwellian paradise.

Never since Hitler burned the Reichstag and blamed it on the Communists did such a tactic work so well.

If Americans are to submit to this tactic, they might as well tear up the Constitution and sign over their sovereignty to a corporation.

False flag.
Maybe that's why we haven't had any attacks.

nmp -

We got an incredible response to the phone banking & door-to-door canvassing here. We even went downtown before a Mardi Gras parade to sign up voters.

So much hope. I read somewhere that Obama is selling the American Dream. Who can turn that down? But more than that - someone else wrote that Obama is not trying to win an election, like the other candidates...he is trying to start a movement, a movement which just happens to include an election.

The communities created in the wake of his 50-state boots-on-the-ground initiative will outlast his campaign.

We want to sacrifice, we want to give, we want to take part in making the American Dream come true for us all...we don't want to be told to "go shopping" - we want to do something tangible and worthy to help create our future.

This is the power of Barack Obama's message and the momentum behind the movement he has created; a movement which transcends voting machines and push polls and sleazy election tactics by building integrated communities that will demand change no matter what obstacles are placed in their way.

V
No matter what the outcome is, history will have been made.
Good luck! I'll have my ear glued to the radio on my commute tomorrow and our caucus is next Saturday here. My son is trained to help and I know where to go to caucus. There is also a headquarters here.

Glad to hear - I was wondering. Glad you mentioned "go shopping" - that is about the best example of how eight years has been squandered through bad policy. Our economy is 2/3 dependent on shopping!!

Is there a comprehensive list of the states involved in Tomorrow's voting?

Woz

Eight states were scheduled for Super Tuesday:
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Missouri, New Mexico Democrats, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Utah and West Virginia Republicans

These moved their elections up to Super Tuesday also:
Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia,Idaho Democrats, Illinois, Kansas Democrats, Massachusetts,Minnesota, Montana Republicans, New Jersey, New York, and Tennessee.

Democratic National Committee established penalties (loss of delegates) for holding primaries or caucusses earlier than Super Tuesday (other than the few who were supposed to, like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina) and this happened to Michigan and Florida.

Feb. 9 primaries or caucus:
Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska (Dem only), Virgin Islands (Dem. Only), Kansas (Rep. Only), Maine (Dem only)

I think that's right ..

"False flag.
Maybe that's why we haven't had any attacks."

Did anyone else read that thing about how the anthrax mail attacks are being collectively 'rewritten' out of our national memory..?

The more I think about it, the more disturbing it is.

I am with Ally on this one. 911 = hitler burning the Reichstag. I think at this point all of us suspect 911 was staged, even if it is not a popular thing to say out loud.

Christy...at this point it almost doesn't matter...the way they politicized it to carry out their Nazi schemes is abominable.

You have got to read this article!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/comment/story/0,,2252428,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labour laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible, and they are stupid."

Dwight Eisenhower

thanks for the list of Super Tuesday states nmp

You are right V... it 'almost' doesn't matter, but like I tell my kids, don't stop looking for the truth, no matter how long they try to hide it.

I knew at some point we would probably never 'know'. So I make sure my kids understand that they also must find out what happened here, because even though it now really doesn't matter for all practical purposes, it is still a truth that can and will keep killing, even long into thier lives.

For me it is very important to me for my kids to know I absolutely believe 911 was an attack on our own, by our own. I want them to know it and discuss it fully so that they will never be tricked as badly as we were.

If nothing else, my kids will never follow this government as blindly as I did.

Straight talk from Robert Reich, who tells what the new president needs to do and what we need to expect, and what we are facing, but doesn't endorse anyone.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020408T.shtml

He actually expects us to think!

This article deconstructs the John McCain myth and gives hints for how to take him down. A good reference.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020408S.shtml

Christy, all the more reason to clear out the Aegean stables and get someone in the White House who will unseal all those presidential papers from the past 25 years.

The federal statute whereby Bush could roll out the national guard for anything he deemed an "insurrection" was actually repealed by the Senate last Monday, thanks to vigilant Patrick Leahy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/4/9234/41958/107/449417

This snuck through all the candidate diaries.

Would you like to hear my campaign slogan if I were running for president?

'Audit EVERYTHING!'.

It is about time we open the book up wide open and let We see exactly where all that money goes too and why. One good moment of full disclosure for everybody to see.

Oh, and I would audit every single member of congress. Maybe then we would find out how exactly public servants can afford their own servants and why they have consistantly been turning on the public. We should start with Murtha and Fienstien..just for fun.

SCOTUS too. Audit everything.

Until we do audit EVERYTHING.... We will never see the full scope of the unprecidented theft they have been engaged in for over 7 years now.

We do not even have a clear understanding of what is 'missing'.

My first act of audit, would be to track the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that rummy announced was missing on Sept 10th, 2001. 14 hours before we were attacked.

I would find out where every single dollar of it landed. So help me God!

"As It Guts Medicare And Medicaid, White House Claims U.S. Has ‘The Best Health Care In The World’ "

I never thought I would be so damn ashamed of this country.

Speaking of following the money.. I think bush HAS TO gut medicaid and medicare, because I think the money is ALREADY MISSING. Social Security too. I think they looted the trust funds.

It is a shell game, but the pea isn't really under any of the walnuts. Somebody already ate it.

The only way he can hide what is already gone, is to implode what is left.

Here is a very strange video of police excessive force making the rounds at You Tube. This woman was arrested/detained for "disorderly conduct"; stripped of all her clothes and left completely naked in a holding cell. This happened in Ohio in 2006 and she has sued the police department - the case is now in federal court. (This is pretty scary - the police are acting like a pack of wild dogs ganging up on this woman.)

I was convinced by the positivity of endorsers, not someone attacking the other candidates (even if I partially agreed with them)

@@@@@@

I Do Not Like to be Lied To:

I don't like to be lied to on a daily basis by Bush and Cheney and their spokespeople,

and I don't like being lied to (in the same manner) by Hillary Clinton regarding her IWAF votes in a debate... maybe other Democrats don't care - I do. (It is absolutely amazing that any politician can get away with this - it is a clear demonstration of the decline of our government, our supposedly "free press" and our fellos citizens who tolerate this junk.)

Trying to watch Kerry and Obama streaming live from Boston but his server is overwhelmed with traffic

Christy...

I'm already painfully aware of where much of the money has gone:

-devaluation of our currency through unusually low interest rates (vast amounts of $$)
-interest payments on our rapidly mounting debt (which now go mainly to foreigners, who are the only ones really still buying our T-bills, despite the artifically low rates)
-foreign countries, to purchase their oil at inflated prices, since oil is priced in dollars and the dollar is devalued
-trillions of dollars to the defense industry to make things that blow up in war
-tons of pet projects in lawmakers' home states or cities that really should be funded via charity, local tax/bond measure, etc.
-corporate tax breaks to pay their CEOs millions of dollars when their companies are hopelessly out of sync with the modern economy (see: American auto makers), desperately in debt (see: airlines), or about to ship most of their jobs overseas anyway in order to compete (see: just about everyone else since we don't have trade tariffs anymore)
-pet projects pushed by lobbyists, who are themselves retired politicians
-rapidly increasing inflation, due to the devaluation of the dollar, artificially low interest rates, oil prices, etc.
And, one of our country's biggest expenses:
-huge costs for Medicare and Social Security, beceause (among other things) we spent all that money that was coming in from the baby boomers when they were working on other things, and now we don't have enough coming in from my generation to pay out for the boomers...exacerbated of course by the fact that only the first $97,500 of income is taxed for Social Security & those making money off stock options and dividends don't pay into it at all.

I'm sure there are other kickbacks to the defense industry, etc., but these are the big ones. Any other siphoning off the top or sides is really just icing on the cake, so to speak.

American Apparel Endorses Obama
http://www.silencedmajority.blogs.com

Ummm V - I believe that individuals are mind-bogglingly wealthy now - beyond their wildest ever dreams. Individuals. Not whole departments. Individuals. The inner circle of the Bush administration going back to the beginning of Bush2's reign, springs to mind. Rumsfeld went quietly and no doubt with more bounty than he could ever have imagined. All who have kept secrets, we'd rather they hadn't kept. Those people have picked up a happy prize, I'm sure.

Christy

White House Claims U.S. Has ‘The Best Health Care In The World’

A system that leaves one out of seven without ANY means of insurance is the best in the world?

What the hell are these antisocial Dominionists smoking?

If I ever catch you driving one of those "NOTW" SUVs, I will cut you off, drive you off the road.

Seriously, I am REQUIRED to insure my car.

I can't insure myself, even if I wanted to.

Just shows you the f'd up priorities of the country I live in.

V

In regards to car companies and airlines, they are national assets (wartime and otherwise), and a good government will see to it that these entities are backed by policies that strengthen their standing in the world.

W has done nothing to strengthen them - he's done everything to strengthen only the corrupt CEOs. In that sense, W is NOT pro-business; he is only pro-CEO.

No wonder the nation's automobiles and airlines all suck, especially compared to their foreign competition.

I am writing a novel about a United Airlines flight attendant. I've dug up tons of dirt about the airline - especially how corrupt executives pretty much gutted a once-fine airline over the past two decades, and drove it to bankruptcy a few years back. The only silver lining is that the rank-and-file, like my protagonist, have been resilient, and have managed not to get me PO'd - at least not yet. I'll make sure my protagonist will make a few choice comments on her bosses.

And let's not forget the secret free trade deals that nobody in the media ever reports.

I have one rule regarding these sleazy free trade agreements: if your country signs a free trade deal with W, I am never buying your goods and services, ever again.

Samsung and Hyundai, I am talking about YOU.

Obama wins first US Democratic Party voting abroad on 'Super Tuesday'
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JAKARTA (AFP) — US Democratic Party voters in Indonesia, where Barack Obama spent part of his childhood, handed him a win over Hillary Clinton in the first voting abroad on "Super Tuesday," party officials said.

Seventy-five percent of nearly 100 votes cast by expatriate Americans just past midnight (1700 GMT Monday) went to Obama and 25 percent went to Clinton, Democrats Abroad officials here said.

Results still need formal verification.

Registered Democrats in Indonesia's capital Jakarta were the first to vote in person on the day of the US mega-primary, which will select more than half the delegates to the Democratic National Convention in August.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZ3miyDFQOQsm4QkPwc...

World speaks out on US elections

Abdullah Sheikh, 26, school teacher, Somalia

Somalis are interested in the US election more than any other nation in the world, because the US government is involved in Somalia and supports the transitional federal government (TFG) which is composed of ruthless warlords formed by Ethiopia and supported by the Bush administration.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ACF81E00-4EFB-4F0A-A88C-8E8011B3FC71.htm

Just cast my vote this AM for Obama. I wanted to be one of the first in NYC.

I don't know that he can beat McCain (if McCain wins the nomination) but I'm going with my heart - and my head.

Twice was more than enough of Billary. If Hillary wants to be taken seriously by me in her next Presidential race, she needs to run on her own. The Clinton marriage is my definition of unnatural.

"The Clinton marriage is my definition of unnatural."

HAHA! And Amen!

V,

I understand what you are saying, but I meant a somewhat more personal auditing. Of war profiteers personal assets. The personal finances of SCOTUS and the US Congress and Senate. And those that run the Justice Department. A very public audit of EVERYTHING.

True we are hemmorraging money on all these 'legal' programs, but, we have literally TRILLIONS of dollars missing. Do any of us believe it was just mistakenly left in rummys other pants...?

Just like with the nazis, what happened there and here was always about...theft. Only mass murder can cover a theft so large. And, the murder will escalate in direct proportion to the theft.

There is one thing that all our troubles have in common... Iraq, 911, even Katrina and medicaid, and that is that all of them enriched a certain select group of people. On all of them, the 'money' meant for them was 'mishandled'.

It is way past time to start auditing those people and start finding out where all the 'missing' money is.

The thing that has amazed me most I think about georgie, is that this entire country as a whole has completely abandoned the theory of 'follow the money'.

We all know we should, we all know what it will reveal, yet as a nation, all the sudden we are not just reluctant to follow it, we are scared to. We look at all these huge problems and try to figure out where the common vein is, it's MONEY.

Everything everything everything they have done has been about money. It was enough to lie for, it was enough for them to murder a million innocents for. They committed HIGH TREASON, openly. Not to be 'traitors'... to become rich beyond all our wildest imaginings.

That 2.6 trillion rummy announced was missng on Sept 10th. Seriously, think about it... Who would you kill to take that much money? Who would you lie too to cover up you took it?

We are not talking about a 'siphoning'. This was no candy store robbery that netted them a few thousand tootsie rolls.

We are talking about literally TRILLIONS of dollars. More money than most of us can even imagine. This is not a pinprick, it is a mortal gusher.

And I absolutely doubt anyone can hide that much money. The only way they can hide it, is for the rest of the country to NEVER look for it. And so far, that is exactly what is happening.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that in all this 'infighting' among dems, the ones who keep warning that our party will 'split' or will be 'doomed' by it.... are almost always supporting hillary.

Vote for her or the democrats are DOOOOOOMED!

I am so sure we are all properly scared. Why not just say "Everytime you vote for Obama, somewhere a fairy drops DEAD!"

Matthew killed a fairy! OMG! The democrats are DOOOOMED! DOOOOMED!

I just like the word 'DOOOOOMED!'. It just sounds so damn dramatic.

I AM sick of the negativity in the party. It's been going on for years. We lost out to Nixon and went through the Reagan years and Bush I - TWELVE YEARS OF MY LIFE - then had a moderate under Clinton and some semblance of sanity, then EIGHT MORE YEARS of Bush II.

We need to organize and if it's an uphill battle we march uphill. I'm glad Obama is doing well, will support the nominee and back them like Republicans will back McCain regardless of stripe.

Remember "the fragmented left"? Read the history in the article I posted from the Guardian above, or Brokaw's book "Boom." We need to build community regardless of the election, as V said above. We need to show the rest of the world we can do it, and in fact, work with them - they can't vote but there are many international movements and we have the internet now, we can travel (harder and harder to do with our economy).

We have many things to work on - our surveillance society, our electoral integrity, our party. I don't care how much people rail against Bush but I come from six generations (at least) of Democrats from South Dakota and think of what we were up against there yet we got people like McGovern and he lost partly because of all the inparty squabbling.

We need to get out and work.

The 'infighting' among dems, is actually a battle at the top. It is the elite dems that are battling each other. They just like to pretend their vying for inparty posistion is as important to the rest of us as it is to them.

The average Obama and Hillary voters do not really have much of an argument going between them.

We have all been getting out and working on it steadily. And huge youth and black turnout is our reward. It is their turn to actually do their jobs and keep their promises.

I would like to be able to say the same and support the nominee 'regardless' of whom it is, but so help me God I can not and will not support her. I just can't.

No More Of The Same.

Oh and about McCain... As far as I can see, his nomination has the 'base' over there so FREAKED OUT and scared even that harlot coultergiest is publicly jumping ship.

And Romney, is the 'most disliked' of all the gop nominations. Either way they jump off, they are going over a cliff.

HAHAHA!!!

EHHHH HEHEHEHE!!!

Here is a good example of the 'dem infighting'.

"Rep. John Conyers, the powerful chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, levied harsh words for Bill Clinton, saying the former president "can't contain himself" on the campaign trail. "

Just think if Conyers was half as worried about doing his job as he was about his own political positioning in the party.

We would have already impeached the WORST president and vice president in history.

And, somehow this sniping among the elites will be amplified and used to show how 'fractured' we are as a party. How we are just sooo doomed.

The republicans are just glad for anything that takes attention off of their own unfolding extinction.

Powell’s shame.

Today marks the fifth anniversary of Colin Powell’s presentation on Iraqi WMD before the United Nations. “The gravity of this moment is matched by the gravity of the threat that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction pose to the world,” Powell said in his speech. Saad Tawfiq, one of Iraq’s engineers who tried to warn the U.S. that Saddam had shut down his weapons programs, recalls crying as he listened

http://thinkprogress.org/

Ok. I am never again going to tolerate a 'stupid American' joke from a Brit.

Quarter of Brits think Churchill was myth: poll

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Quarter_of_Brits_think_Churchill_wa_02032008.html

"according to a poll out Monday which showed that nearly a quarter think Winston Churchill was a myth while the majority reckon Sherlock Holmes was real.

The survey found that 47 percent thought the 12th century English king Richard the Lionheart was a myth.

And 23 percent thought World War II prime minister Churchill was made up. The same percentage thought Crimean War nurse Florence Nightingale did not actually exist."

Holy Crap! That is just.... dumb-assery.

I see what you mean about the sniping. They may be shooting themselves in the foot.

Mike Gravel was right at YearlyKos. Don't trust any of them to do what they say they will do. (They will say what it takes to get elected.)

The Dem party has been divided for a long time into a couple of wings. The nonClinton wing is the one that is jumping on the Obama thing and it's also the NE wing (vs the Southern). Obama may be able to straddle it if he wins. The Clintons would have to eat crow.

Conversely, if they prevail, they will need him and his allies because they bring with them coat tails.

You're right too about the Republicans. There is no WASP male running any more! Romney is Mormon not Presbyterian, though he is white. McCain is the only WASP running! If he is knocked out, it will be a woman or person of color running against a Mormon. If he remains in play, he will be the last of the old Guard. If he runs against Clinton it will be about gender. If he runs against Obama, it will be an age thing as much as a color thing. & older people who like Obama and don't like McCain will vote for "change" because most of us have kids who are going to have to live with this crap alot longer than we are!

Heard on NPR that the networks are getting lots of viewers for this "reality show" that affects our lives. What people do it tune in when real candidates are on and tune off when pundits and talking heads and prognosticators come on. So the new philosophy is "more of them (candidates), less of us (talking heads). That is the key to winning the media wars. Use the off button. Who needs tv any more with social networking, online gambling etc.

"Don't trust any of them to do what they say they will do. (They will say what it takes to get elected.)"

Amen and Hell Yeah!

Just voted this morning.

What I noticed in my Republican suburb of Los Angeles County, California:

- No ID, no vote. For someone like me, that can be dicey. It took a few minutes before I was cleared to vote.
- A large increase in Democrats in the voter rolls. So much so, that there were two Republican booths and three Democratic booths. Republicans still outnumber Democrats, but they no longer have a crushing advantage.
- Not many nonpartisans, me included. Like me, virtually all (who already had voted) chose the Democratic ballot; nonpartisans are allowed to choose Democratic, Constitution, or none for this primary.
- Ballot box is electronic, and scans the vote on the spot. This is new for the county. The ballots themselves are "ink-a-vote" system (similar to punchcards, except that you color the hole with ink instead of punching it) in use since 2004.

Also, noted that the Greens did not have a booth this year. Normally, the Greens would share one voting booth with other smaller parties, including Constitution, Libertarian, and Peace and Freedom.

HEY ALL

WISHING YOU GOOD LUCK FROM DOWN UNDER.

THE WORLD IS WATCHING AND WAITING, AND PRAYING

new thread. Sorry it took so long.