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It's Official. Bush Lied To Start The Illegal Iraq War
The Senate Intel Committee just released the Phase II Report (pdf) of how intelligence was (mis)used by the administration to force this country into the war in Iraq.
Only six Senators read the NIE report before voting on the IWR.
As Scotty confessed in his tell-all book, the administration sold the war and Congress and the media just went along with it. According to the report there was plenty of dissenting opinions that were never released to the public.
Yet, in today's press conference, the White House's response is essentially, "Get over it..." Dana Perino's response was, "...this is just another example of rehashing this old issue, which is fine. If people want to spend their time doing that, that's up to them."
Over 4000 dead soldiers, numerous soldiers with PTSD and other debilitating diseases, and hoards of dead Iraqis later...but we should 'get over it?!'
Yes, we should rehash this. .
Clinton lied and nobody died and yet he was impeached.
Bush lied, people died, and he should never be a free man again. Will we be able to make that happen?
Let's talk...
Why, oh why is this information just coming out formally now?
So the little dictator could stay in power his entire term?
What the Heck?
P.S.
LP: Obama Meet Tonight WIth Hillary at Her Home in DC (They outfoxed the press corps.)
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=227408
Sure is quiet around here. Everyone must have campaign fatigue.
US military deaths in Iraq war at 4,092
AP, 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Arabs shocked by Obama speech : Arab leaders have reacted with anger and disbelief to an intensely pro-Israeli speech delivered by Barack Obama, the US Democratic presumptive presidential nominee.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/93FE247B-452D-4022-8374-088D8704C1DE.htm
Most Historic Day for Whistleblowers: 112 Public Groups Unite!
112 Public Interest Organizations Support Swift Action to Restore Strong, Comprehensive Whistleblower Rights
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Most-Historic-Day-for-Whis-by-James-Murtagh-080605-797.html
Kangaroo
Obama has to win. He is running for president of America not the entire world. He's not going to please all of the people all of the time. I haven't read the speech but know both he and HIllary had to suck up to AIPAC. Even Howard Dean or especially Howard Dean had to do that. It's the name of the game in America.
I hate to admit it, but that is the facts.
If he don't suck up to the Jews, he will not be elected president. I would like to go on record saying I agree it seems wrong because it is wrong, but that is the way it is.
One day American Jews will finally stand up to Israeli Jews. But until then, Israel will have way too much influence in our elections.
At this point, Obama is being called all things, pro Israel, Anti Israel, Pro Hamas Anti Hamas. It is crazy and I have a feeling he will not let them corner him the way others do, but until he can offer real solutions from a position of power he has to pander.
look what people are doing on Hillary's site:
Receiving a letter from Senator Lieberman
I just received a letter from Senator Lieberman soliciting my support. The new group is "Citizens for McCain" and what it is for democrats and independents. They are welcoming Hillary supporters. We have to do what is right for America even though it may be against our party. I also went on McCain's blog and many Hillary supporters have joined. Barack's site was talking about all of the Hillary supporters on the McCain site. The support will continue to grow for McCain after Saturday. Remember Hillary is just suspending her campaign. Many things can happen before August.
From me:
HILLARY is meeting with OBAMA tonight - can't they stop this?!!
Lieberman launches grassroots organization {Citizens for -- McCAIN ??}
From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Joe Lieberman – who has taken on increasingly high-profile campaign roles on behalf of presumptive Republican nominee John McCain – announced Thursday that was launching and heading a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain," with a direct appeal to Hillary Clinton’s disappointed supporters.
“The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times,” Lieberman wrote in a message sent to the Arizona senator’s supporters. “Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.”
Over the past few weeks, some supporters of Hillary Clinton – whose campaign announced Wednesday that she would be suspending her presidential run this weekend — have said that they would consider voting for McCain if she were not the Democratic nominee.
Lieberman highlighted McCain’s “very good working relationship with Senator Clinton” – which he said would continue in the future – and his comments praising her in a speech at a Louisiana campaign event Wednesday.
Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/05/lieberm... /
Christy
There are the broad spectrum of Jews politically left to right in Israel and America - it is as polarized as anything else in this country.
Man I am getting emails from Hillary supporters I know who had disappeared - they are coming out of the closet - people who quit speaking to me, who disappeared. Some are hostile, some are nice and trying to build bridges.
Then there are a couple of strange arguments going on - about oil and about immigrants. One guy who is a Quaker has an email list that has two wingnuts on and one just called me a Communist and said Barack is the Socialist/Communist candidate who will give our country away. Then there is the woman I went to see Michael Moore with and she moved to California. Her wingnut stepson is saying he will buy a Humvee and hahaha to us all.
This country has alot of diversity and doesn't know how to handle it! All hell is breaking loose! The Democratic party is having a coup from within that is long-awaited and a bunch of other things are happening simultaneously with race, age and gender that needed to happen but it's not all going to be pretty.
The big zit is being popped though finally, I think!!
Lieberman is a sick man.
Now check this out
http://blog.pumapac.org/
It's very ironic because you know what "pumas" are?
Start by figuring out what "cougars" are.
(You won't find it on Wikipedia)
Hint: They are female.
It is crazy and I have a feeling he will not let them corner him the way others do, but until he can offer real solutions from a position of power he has to pander.
I hope so Cristy, they need a honest mediator,
Facing criticism, Obama modifies Jerusalem stance
Advertisements [?]Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama amended his support for Israel's stance on Jerusalem on Thursday, saying Palestinians and Israelis had to negotiate the future of the holy city.
Palestinian leaders reacted with anger and dismay on Wednesday to Obama saying Jerusale
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN054767...
I emailed the Lieberman thing to a Hillary supporter in California who is nice (an older feminist) and she was shocked and called someone in Virginia who was also - sent it to her and they are very against this supporting of McCain & Lieberman by women - that would be so terrible.
My son emailed me from work & said the right thing:
Don't worry about Joe. No one listens to him.
So I'm going to go read a chapter of my very interesting Amy Tan book about people who get kidnapped in Burma and get up at 6 AM and put in another day and not worry about all of this.
Yes Obama will have to learn to slightly triangulate, like Bill Clinton was good at - but he will stay relatively honest, I hope.
I campaigned for Eugene McCarthy when I was a teen and he was the most honorable man. I felt horrible when RFK died (which was 40 years ago today) but before that, McCarthy was running against him and RFK was getting the momentum. It was a relatively bitter campaign and I learned that Democrats fight during primaries AND that even Eugene McCarthy had ONE speech for the farmers, ONE speech for the teachers, ONE speech for the businessmen etc. I thought .. "So this is politics."
& have never fully trusted a politician since but what choice do we have.. I feel now we have at least some choice! It makes me happy that Kerry & Kennedy support Obama.
Oh & I read that Robert Byrd is recovering! Hooray!!
One more comment - I have been studying these blog for a couple of months - Obama's is welcoming Hillary supporters - they are practically (the bloggers) doing crisis intervention. They are like a Welcome Wagon of Love, Hope and Change but the "Celestial Choirs" sarcasm affected some HRC supporters. They can freely post though.
On HRC blog it's a different story. NO "unity" posts - they are censored immediately. Believe me I have tried and I have been a donor, supporter and three-time watcher of Hillary in the remote past. I have actually been signed up to that site before Obama's when I was undecided. I donated to get into an event & I saw her in Boston, Chicago (YearlyKos) and here. They block me. Yet they allow plenty of posts encouraging support of Lieberman, Republicans and McCain. Guess people can vent but they are also organizing.
Please let the Kubler Ross Denial stage pass and some of the Anger change to Acceptance Bargaining and Resolution. I had Dean people spit on me before and also call me a zombie. One person slammed a door in my face and another (a man) cried like a baby (when Kerry won on Super Tuesday and I had been canvassing.) I didn't take it personal. Please let us get through this phase.
My fear is that Obama faces increasing odds in this race, and that "tribal" passions will likely prevail by the end of this campaign.
Only in America can you be demonstrably wrong on all the issues, and still become President. Dubya demonstrated the validity of this unhappy equation in 2004. I fear that we may see it play out again in 2008.
There was an interesting op-ed in the Times this week, describing how Israel has begun its own discussions with neighbors who the chickenhawks would have us ignore, if not invade. Perhaps the Israelis are much wiser than their alleged American defenders, like Lieberman?
Bush's machismo-fueled approach to the Middle East represents a dead end for all concerned. But it may take another four years, and with it, perhaps another ten thousand lives lost or ruined, before that message finally makes an impact on the hysterical segment of our electorate.
Actually NMP, if what you're reporting is accuate, that tells me that Hillary's plan remains one of undermining Obama in '08. There would be no reason for her blog to censor unity posts, while allowing the Lieberman posts, if Hillary seriously intended to support Obama.
I put nothing past this couple. And as negative as I've been about them - and I have been a harsh critic - my perceptions appear to be pretty much shared by a large number of activists and pundits.
"There are the broad spectrum of Jews politically left to right in Israel and America - it is as polarized as anything else in this country."
I don't disagree with that, however, it is the Pro-Israeli Jews that have infiltrated our politics and the balance is there in society, but in politics no dissent against Israel is allowed, ever, at any time, or else you must be Hitler, or just some other random antisemite.
The moderate Jewish voices get frozen out. That is what I mean about American Jews standing up to Israeli Jews. Not even I disagree they should be left unprotected, but they have to know we will not fund a military occupation and take sides in a civil war forever. American Jews are expected to be loyal to Israel first, as Americans first, none of us should tolerate it, both Jews and non gentiles alike. But it only changes when American Jews confront it.
If I as a non Jew try to say that then I am Hitler. If I try to suggest the Palestinians deserve mercy and their own country just as much as Jews do, then I must just hate Jews.
But if other Jews make the case, then we will be getting somewhere.
But so far.... Could you even imagine an American politician suggesting equal respect for both Israelis and Palestinians, and equal scorn as well? He would be run out of DC on a rail.
Not even Jimmy Carter himself would dare go that far. It is so sad and twisted it makes me ill. Any sign of sympathy for Palestinains makes you a terrorist lover, or means you support Hamas.
One of the things I am hoping for with Obama is that as moderate as he naturally is with the black/white thing, he will approach the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in the same way, attract the moderates while shunning the fringe.
It would be a good start. But honestly, the Israeli owned Jews, like Lieberman, they will do anything to stop that from happening.
It's been less than two days since he crossed the delegate threshold to become the Democratic presidential nominee and Sen. Barack Obama's mark on the party is already being felt.
On Good Morning America Thursday, ABC News' Chief Washington Correspondent George Stephanopoulos reported "the Democratic National Committee will no longer accept contributions from federal lobbyists, will no longer take contributions from PACs" in keeping with Obama's well-publicized policy.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/dnc-no-more-con.html
Wow. Is he a miracle worker or what?
NO JUSTICE
Marine acquitted in Haditha deaths
Dan Whitcomb, Reuters
A U.S. Marine officer was acquitted by a military jury on Wednesday on charges he tried to cover up the shooting deaths of two dozen unarmed Iraqi men, women and children at Haditha in 2005. In the first court-martial verdict from the high-profile case, Lt. Andrew Grayson was cleared at Camp Pendleton, California, after a five-day trial and less than half a day of deliberations by the jury...
Of the eight Marines originally charged by military authorities in December 2006, five have seen their cases dropped.
http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN05281231
NMP said
I thought that was it, but in my opinion, that is one of the things that needs URGENT CHANGE. Israel has been dictating to America and killing too many Lebanese and Palestinians, with too little excuse over the past few years. Israel and America both wouldn't sign on to the cluster bomb ban. After all, cluster bombs will be killing Lebanese children for years to come. That's how useful they are. Cluster bomb - the bomb that goes on killing.
I still support Obama - and would vote for him if I had a chance - but the passion he put into that part of his speech, killed a little of my passion for peace AND justice. You see, I want both.
Lieberman and McCain, they both make such a fitting couple. I don't quite "get' Lieberman, except I know he is sickening. But he and McCain seem to have the same smarmy stickiness phony sweetness to them and they both strike me as wimps and wanta-bes (AND SELL-OUTS).
I need to learn more, but my gut just tells me it's going to be okay. Obama won over Clinton, did he not?
O.K. You want to tell me that people are more loyal to Hillary than they are to the people of the United States, and to their own family and friends? They sound like complete nutjobs. And, based on percentages, how many people in our population are complete nutjobs as opposed to partial nutjobs? 5%? That move of "grassroots" is just nuts, and should turn off the right and the left. They need to GROW UP. How can anyone be more committed to a candidate than they are to their own country, given everything it was created to provide???
O.K. given the selfishness, even if they don't care about their friends or family, don't they care about their own interest? That smells Rovian to me to the HILT. Haven't they learned enough to know we cannot survive another four years of Republican rule? WTH?
As far as the Jew thing goes, I don't even claim to begin to know the deep and detailed facts. I have heard that the Jews (no offense to anyone here who is Jew, I don't mean ALL JEWS.) control the money in this world, at least that is what my ex-brother in law who, like his brother, is brilliant but equally as eccentric, told me. He told me the Jews control the money in the world through the "Federal Reserve" which is not federal, nor is it a reserve. Is this true? I know, oh my gosh, here I am on a blog and I'm being real enough to ask a QUESTION. What kind of blog is this anyhow? How we will look to all the other blogs?
Anyone I trust or care about has my email addy so if you can fill me in on some of the deeper knowledge I need to know about the Israeli situation, or steer me to data I would be much appreciative. Seems like I may be missing a whole block of data regarding AIPAC, and if it's true like some have said that you have to kiss up to the Jews or you won't become President, I want to know why. And how that all works.
NO WONDER THE NEOCONS HAVE MILKED THE EVANGELICALS ~ they not only will vote entirely based on a wedge issue, they will give money, and they will certainly support Israel above all else.
Ewwhh. Where is this all going? I want to know, so send me the info, folks.
And all you "elite" NON-elitests out there that think it is wrong to get on a blog and ask a question......*** you. This is not a popularity contest, it is a sharing and learning tool.
NMP,
Maybe I'm wrong, but I TRUST him. He's not stupid. As our First Lady said during Dubya's first campaign, "Politics is Politics".
I know that would turn you off, because you of all of us is a pacifest before all else, it's what drives you. Sometimes "Politics is Politics". Although I think he is a very sincere person deep down, if he thinks he has to yank a chain or two to be able to pull us out of this he can, IMO.
Personally, if he had to say that to get elected, just remember, he has a very good head on his shoulders, and true compassion for our present situation. He's got some DAMN good advisers, I will tell you that.
P.S. He's GONNA win. And when he does, he will do the RIGHT thing. He will not be weak, he could not appear to be weak in that speech to AIPAC. His entire demeanor wreaks of unity, of peace, of compromise.
The Hillary voters that defect aren't ones I'd be too worried about - they're the folks straight out of *Deliverance* - the attitudes at any rate. Uneducated, bigoted, criminal. Hmmm - sounds like they were republicans in the first place.
I think the collective imagination of Americans to *show the world* just how open-minded and all encompassing they are, will continue the momentum of the groundswell of Obama supporters from now until November.
I'm glad that Obama has softened his stance a little on the Jerusalem issue - that is not an American problem to solve - that is purely and simply an Israeli/Palestinian point of deepest conflict.
In terms of Obama's determination to prevent Iran from ever having nuclear weapons, I'm concerned that if he takes talking off the table as McSame/McBush has done, he will get no better result. As parents we are supposed to teach our children not to fight (assault) but to talk. Our leaders set such a brilliant example to our children don't they?
Look! My Gang's bigger 'n stronger 'n tougher with better bombs and bullets and stuff, than Your Gang can ever hope to be.
Yes - they set an excellent example of warmongering to my grandchildren. And when my grandchildren grow up and go to someone else's house and beat up a person because they don't want that person to beat them up at their home, they'll go to jail I guess.
And yet this is what the boss of the world told them they should do.
Without talk there will be no change. Without talk there can be no peace. Without talk there can be no clear-up of misunderstandings. Without talk there can be no compromise. Without talk there can be no cooperation. Without talk there can be no peace.
Woz,
Obama is a communicator.
The defectors are true nutjobs. There can't be that many of them that are that stupid.
Woz,
Some are of the opinion that they teach kids the thrill and addiction of killing and war through video games, at a young age.
The Federal Reserve thing is apparently coming up a lot, in various circles, likely for what I suspect are, at heart, astrological reasons. It's "chart" will be apparently very much in play over the next several years - although I've spent zero time studying it. The leading rumor about the FED is, as TSP mentioned, that it is not Federal, but instead a private bank...although I personally know nothing about this issue, and hence cannot speak to it. But I recently spent a week listening to colleagues speculate about the introduction a new currency - the Amero - and the radical devaluation of the dollar over the next couple of years. Given Americans' attachment to tradition (as in those Presidents on our currency), and our characteristic nativist best, I find the idea of a new currency being introduced any time soon pretty far fetched.
As to the Jewish angle, this seems to me to be a carryover of some of the ugly propaganda of the past. There's no money quite like WASP money.
"nativist bent", not best
Hey, look what else horribly bad policy can bring to a nation...
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/05/news/economy/jobs_outlook/index.htm?cnn=yes
The Airlines are getting killed, and grounding flights right and left.
I'm so glad that Dubya was able to "jaw-bone" the Saudis. It made such a big difference...(irony alert)...
Oh, and let's give a shout out to the Cheney Secret Energy Task Force.
Nice Work, F*ckface
Jobless rate jumped to 5.5 percent in May
Increase biggest rise since `86, payrolls cut by 49,000
updated 4 minutes ago
AP
WASHINGTON - The nation’s unemployment rate jumped to 5.5 percent in May — the biggest monthly rise since 1986 — as nervous employers cut 49,000 jobs.
The latest snapshot of business conditions showed a deeply troubled economy, with dwindling job opportunities in a time of continuing hardship in the housing, credit and financial sectors.
With employers worried about a sharp slowdown and their own prospects, they clamped down on hiring in May, said Friday’s report from the Labor Department. The unemployment rate soared from 5 percent in April to 5.5 percent in May. That was the biggest one-month jump in the rate since February 1986. The increase left the jobless rate at its highest since October 2004.
more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25001930/
Mr. McCain, will you continue with these policies? Hmmmmm?
You guys are getting business news - I am about to hop into the car so will get same (NPR) - bank failures, airline problems, housing foreclosures, gas prices etc.
Here is my son's latest email - we were discussing the Clinton thing - I love a young person's perspective (political science major):
She'll get even less (bloggers on her site) now that she's not in the race. McCain's supporters said they wouldn't vote for Bush in 2000. That never happens. It's the independents and moderate Republicans that will decide the election, along with turnout.
(what he calls "turnout" I also interpret as young people, minorities and "eggheads" like we urban denizens and metrosexuals, island dwellers, college town people and free thinkers)
Re: Unemployment Numbers
Given the HUGE amount of personal and mortgage debt that American workers hold, and the importance of consumer demand in keeping the overall economy afloat, the worst single thing that Corporate America could do at this point is begin laying off workers, in the hope of saving their own skins.
Either we hang together as a nation or watch this entire system implode.
Bingo Matthew.
Yours unruly has been soothsaying that there is an economic catastrophe abrewin just over the horizon, and methinketh that it's happening right before our very Oz.
Good Buys At Yellow Skid Row
I am getting emails from Hillary supporters who had quit speaking to me (we had not even argued - they just disappeared) and can't wait for her to speak to them and tell them to support Obama. I am getting questions which reflect what they have been "fed" and they have a steep learning curve. I am mostly responding with what is at stake with McCain because he is NOT a choice, if they are intelligent. I feel like a therapist but I am not sure what to say so I'm not saying much. Also, I don't think negativity works for some people. I do know that all the stuff Ralpheh posted was the LAST thing that made me support Obama and it actually turned me more TOWARD HIllary. I am sure I am not the only one. I have made my remarks that were snarky too but I really HATE negative campaigning.
yes - my son is still subsisting by temping and taking shifts of people at an old job when they go on vacation or want a day off and he has no health insurance
Quincy Jones will speak at UW commencement and I am kind of excited to hear what he has to say (he is a local)
I bought groceries the other day, I did not buy anything I don't normally buy, and what usually costs me 200 bucks was $442. It is a good thing I spend virtually zero dollars on gas, or else I would not be able to afford food, and my man works for a freaking oil company.
We are in serious trouble as a nation.
As for the Jews being 'in control of the worlds money', it is easy to see why they got that reputation since they were historically known as bankers and jewlers. That is the reason Hitler turned on them, not because they were Jews, but because they were very rich and controlled and commanded huge reservoirs of wealth. Had it been Muslims instead of Jews, then they would have been the target.
The point was the theft. The racisim was used to cover the true point. The larger the theft became, the more had to die to cover it up. You have to get rid of all the witnesses and rightful heirs, or what you stole will always be in dispute.
I know lots of people would disagree with me, but, the Jews were not targeted for their beliefs, or skin color or their politics, they were targeted for their wealth.
To me, past conspiracy theories on Jews controlling the earths money is far less interesting to me than the current money activities surrounding modern day Israel.
If you detatch from both sides and look at it in an overall manner, the reality is they have created a perpetual war zone, and that must mean perpetual war profits. SOMEONE is making lots and lots of money off of the killing, and if it stopped then so would their profit. Peace is literally a threat to their income.
Who could possibly be profiting off a constant war machine? Well, everyone of their politicians for one. The same way our congress all have their family money tied into oil, all of them are personally invested in 'victory' whatever the hell that means.
And speaking of our own politicians, many many of them almost certainly are personally profiting off of the war zone they help sustain.
How many members of our congress, Pentagon, SCOTUS and presidential admin. is literally making war profits off of the Israeli Palestinian conflict?
How many times have you EVER heard that question asked out loud? It is so taboo, that is the first time I ever remember saying it outloud myself.
And it is not just on this side either, how many other countries politicians are profiting off the other sides war machine?
In the end, it is really not even about Jew Vs. Palestinian. It is about money, all about money, all the time money money money. The money buys power. Those in power make it so they will make even more money, and the war never stops.
One day Palestinians and Israelis will both wake up/ grow up enough to realize both governments are aiding and abbetting each other, manipulating each other, so that perpetual war is the whole point. No war, no war profits. No war, the war mongers lose power.
If that is not the best damn reason I have ever heard to lay down your gun and refuse to fight, then I don't know that they can be convinced to quit killing each other.
In the meantime, if you want to clean up the war mongers in Israel, here is a good way to do it. Find out which of OUR politicians are making war profits off of the conflict, and then run them out of office in the most public way possible. It will cause a domino effect that will put both sides on notice that it will no longer be tolerated.
Stop the war profiteers, ONLY THEN can peace be attained in good faith. Only then will you find a true peace, and not a parody of it.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Israel_to_attack_Iran_unless_enrich_06062008.html
Israel to attack Iran unless enrichment stops: minister
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks "unavoidable" given the apparent failure of sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential, one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's deputies said on Friday.
One of the Clinton supporters is now going to support Nader.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-issues-threat-to-iraqs-50bn-foreign-reserves-in-military-deal-841407.html
US Issues Threat to Iraq's $50,000,000,000 foreign reserves in Military deal
long-term deal
privatize the war - make it look ilke it's over but impossible to end it
keep 50 or more bases there - maybe forever
war profittering
perpetual war
excuse = ideology of one kind of another
The 1 lb bag of frozen mixed vegetables that I used to buy for $.99 less than 18 months ago is now selling for $1.39. That's a 40% increase in price in about 18 months.
Yall see the stock market today?
Holy. Crap.
"Are there lies?"
"I just don't think we can let these people back into polite society," Ex-czar Clarke:
'Someone should have to pay' for Bush's lies
The Senate Intelligence Committee has released the long-delayed final phase of its report on prewar intelligence, highlighting the Bush administration's misuse of that intelligence to lead us into war in Iraq. Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism advisor to both the Clinton and Bush administrations, appeared on Countdown with Keith Olbermann to discuss the implications of the report.
Clarke stated unequivocally that figures in the administration lied then and that Senator John McCain is not telling the truth now when he defends them. "Someone should have to pay in some way," Clarke emphasized. "I just don't think we can let these people back into polite society."
"The report does not use the word 'lie,' Olbermann began. "Are there lies?"
"There certainly are," Clarke replied. "This is a big report, but what it says is 'statements by the president were not substantiated by intelligence ... statements by the president were contradicted by available intelligence. In other words, they made things up ... that people in the intelligence community at the time knew were not true. ... To say that this is only something we could have known years later is just not true."
"What are we to make now of Senator McCain's ... remarkable claim that every intel assessment of the time was screaming 'WMD'?" asked Olbermann.
"Senator McCain's statements are contradicted by the facts, too," Clarke replied firmly. "He's also now justifying the intelligence statements of the president. ... We have the proof, four years too late, that those statements were flat out wrong."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Richard_Clarke_Scott_McClellan_asked_for_0606.html
How are we suppossed to just forgive and forget with clinton supporters when they were too eager to do this, not just to Obama, but his wife...?
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126883.html
I also used to trust Larry Johnson, until I started getting a feeling he was being dishonest about her.
Why are her supporters so willing to shamelessly lie to further her quest for power?
My God I am so glad she did not win. Larry Johnson is an ass.
McCain agents are flooding the internet with fake HRC posts about supporting McCain, changing to Independent and sending money to McCain. MySpace too. I have also gotten some negative Obama articles from former HRC people trying to get me to switch to Nader. Crazy.
Christy
I had never heard of Larry Johnson til a few days ago and am not impressed. This is from over at DKos.
So Larry's credibility is rapidly catching up to other intelligencia favorites like Wayne Madsen, Ahmed Chalibi, and Curveball. But this shouldn't come as a surprise.
Larry represents the true culture of the intelligence community that is horrible at intelligence, but excels at disinformation and propaganda. And they usually burn out from their own lies soon enough.
Perhaps if the Larry's of the world spent more time seeking and confirming intelligence instead of making it up, they wouldn't say things like this:
The Declining Terrorist Threat
By LARRY C. JOHNSON
July 10, 2001
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.
None of these beliefs are based in fact...
What I don't know, Christy and NMP is that those people represent Hillary or if they are reprenting Repubs.
And speaking of food prices...um...why would anyone consider voting for mccain when he's basically said, "it's a global economy and we'll pay you the 10 cents we think you're worth..."
I often find Daily Kos a bit overwhelming so I rely on others to bring important diaries and stories to light from there. There's a group at dkos called the RescueRangers who rescue some truly worthy diaries and stories that get lost in the midst of others that have swamped them. I've bookmarked the DKosRescue site and visit there when I can.
This story is on the current *rescued* page. One Voice Can Change a Room
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/5/2119/59223
And for the Rescue page
http://www.dailykos.com/user/Diary%20Rescue
A poem from that page today:
O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!
from Let America be America Again (1938)
Langston Hughes [1902 - 67].
And my last from this rescue page is so poignant, so sad, and so damning of this disgusting war.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/1/17245/28018
Free Pickup Trucks for Rednecks Who Vote for Obama
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/06/free-trucks-for.html
http://www.baracklikeme.blogspot.com
By the way, Nyc is a vet and a Marine and a former Reagan Republican.
I didn't even know my son knew about Kubler Ross.
He says:
Very few of those people, who are now going through the early stages of grief (some are bargaining, some have moved onto guilt or anger, and some are already in depression and ready for acceptance), will feel the same way five months from now.
Christy et al
Re: Jews and Israel
Remember that they are separate entities. And remember that the government of Israel does not speak for the Jewish people as a whole.
And yes, the sad fact is that you must suck up to Israel to get elected in America. Moderate Jews ARE out of the picture, which is sad, because the VAST majority of Jews (at least the ones I know of) are moderate and seek peace between Israel and its neighbors.
If there is any solace in this, it's that Israel doesn't have a monopoly on foreign domination of American politics. The Saudis (through their oil money) and the South Koreans (through Reverend Moon) also manipulate American politics - or at least the right half of it.
Superdelegate says Clinton campaign used 'divisive tactics'
by Josh Margolin/The Star-Ledger
Friday June 06, 2008, 1:00 AM
A Democratic superdelegate from New Jersey said he is worried that unifying the party behind Barack Obama may be difficult because the Clinton camp "has engaged in some very divisive tactics and rhetoric it should not have."
Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans.
"There have been signals coming out of the Clinton campaign that have racial overtones that indeed disturb me," Andrews said at his campaign headquarters in Cherry Hill Tuesday night after he lost his bid for the U.S. Senate nomination. "Frankly, I had a private conversation with a high-ranking person in the campaign ... that used a racial line of argument that I found very disconcerting. It was extremely disconcerting given the rank of this person. It was very disturbing."
- more -
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/superdelegate_says_clinton_cam.html
Well Obama put one of his main people in the DNC with Dean.
Clintons can't control that any more. & without PAC and special interest money, small donors (like me) will have to step up to the plate - in this economy. DNCC is not under same limitation. I figure I either register voters or make phone calls or send money or all of the above. In off years, just another war protester.
DNC and 50 state plan
http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-and-dean-team-up-recast-political-map
Good starting reference for planning now
Here's someone that's asking anyone to email them when you spot a troll. They'll check the link and add a nickel to the contribution pot. The money raised is going to the DNC.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/5/10563/81839
McCain thinks Putin is President of Germany
(click on my name for video)
This is fascinating - hit the mouse to see the different demographics before your eyes
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/politics/04margins_graphic.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1212852320-F5bGFXSNdT5ZJ4bXy/S7eg
Why watch Hillary on TV when I can be reading polls ..
In 2000, according to the national exit poll for the general election, Latinos made up just 7% of voters. The breakdown was as follows:
White 81%
Black 10%
Latino 7%
Asian 2%
Other 1%
In 2004, according to the national exit poll for the general election, Latinos made up 8% of voters. The breakdown was as follows:
White 77%
Black 11%
Latino 8%
Asian 2%
Other 2%
According to the current Political Dashboard available on yahoo.com, the current voter breakdown as of 2008 is as follows:
White 66%
Black 12%
Latino 15%
Asian 4%
Other 3%
On today, Unity Day, Rasmussen's daily tracking poll has picked up Unity!
For the first time all year, Obama is supported by 80% of Democrats over McCain. In recent months, his support from Democrats has typically been in the high-60’s or low-70’s range.
(You wouldn't know it by her website but it's highly censored)
There is also a Unity Pub Crawl going on in Austin tonight.
Free Pickup Trucks for Rednecks Who Vote for Obama
Now that I would be willing to chip in for that from Down Under. Hahahahahaha and it would bloody well work for sure.
Superdelegate says Clinton campaign used 'divisive tactics'
Posted by baligirl on 06/06/08 at 4:25AM
He's telling the ugly truth about Hillary and Terry Mcauliffe. There was an interview with a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and in it she remarks that as far back as 2004 at the DNC convention Hillary was requesting support for her 2008 run. The Clintons and Mcauliffe had no intentions of supporting Gore or Kerry. They have been planning this for years and sabotaging everyone else running for president. This is why Hillary thought she had a right to the nomination. That is why Mcauliffe had a record number of democratic defeats when he was the chairman. He was only focused on the Clintons. They have shown their true colors publicly and were rejected finally. Hopefully the people in New York will give them the final push out the door.
Now that is what I believe happened to Gore and Kerry, the Democratic Party were never there to support them.
Made in Seattle - I ordered a 12-pack for my son's graduation
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/06/campaign-jones.html
I thought someone else had this group all tied up ...
Latinos Favor Obama Over McCain
http://www.truthout.org/article/latinos-favor-obama-over-mccain
In The Los Angeles Times, Peter Wallsten reports: "Some Democrats have worried that Latinos view Obama warily and will be drawn to Republican nominee John McCain, who has been popular in that community and has campaigned in it aggressively - already airing Spanish-language radio ads in the heavily Latino battlegrounds of New Mexico and Nevada. But there are signs that Obama begins the general election battle for Latinos with significant advantages."
I am going to do outreach tomorrow at a Filipino event.
June 7, 2008 3:42 PM
kangaroo said:
Superdelegate says Clinton campaign used 'divisive tactics'
*****
I find it no less than a coup......and I find it unpatriotic and reeking of Neocon Money.
That does help explain why Gore got ripped off and why Kerry never got any air time when campaigning.
This was great! You might enjoy it.
Joe LIEberman on Facebook
Clinton arrived about a half-hour late, accompanied by her husband, former president Bill Clinton, and their daughter, Chelsea, all three of them dressed in black.
Huh?
All in mourning? They just don't stop, do they? They just don't care, do they?
Hillary Clinton's speech today. I will admit as far as I'm concerned if she would have held that tenor throughout the campaign then I probably would have voted for her. She actually said the words "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE" and she was not triangulating about the war.
Peter Daou's diary :: ::
Here is the transcript of Hillary's speech:
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Washington DC
June 7, 2008
Thank you so much. Thank you all.
Well, this isn’t exactly the party I’d planned, but I sure like the company.
I want to start today by saying how grateful I am to all of you – to everyone who poured your hearts and your hopes into this campaign, who drove for miles and lined the streets waving homemade signs, who scrimped and saved to raise money, who knocked on doors and made calls, who talked and sometimes argued with your friends and neighbors, who emailed and contributed online, who invested so much in our common enterprise, to the moms and dads who came to our events, who lifted their little girls and little boys on their shoulders and whispered in their ears, "See, you can be anything you want to be."
To the young people like 13 year-old Ann Riddle from Mayfield, Ohio who had been saving for two years to go to Disney World, and decided to use her savings instead to travel to Pennsylvania with her Mom and volunteer there as well. To the veterans and the childhood friends, to New Yorkers and Arkansans who traveled across the country and telling anyone who would listen why you supported me.
To all those women in their 80s and their 90s born before women could vote who cast their votes for our campaign. I’ve told you before about Florence Steen of South Dakota, who was 88 years old, and insisted that her daughter bring an absentee ballot to her hospice bedside. Her daughter and a friend put an American flag behind her bed and helped her fill out the ballot. She passed away soon after, and under state law, her ballot didn’t count. But her daughter later told a reporter, "My dad’s an ornery old cowboy, and he didn’t like it when he heard mom’s vote wouldn’t be counted. I don’t think he had voted in 20 years. But he voted in place of my mom."
To all those who voted for me, and to whom I pledged my utmost, my commitment to you and to the progress we seek is unyielding. You have inspired and touched me with the stories of the joys and sorrows that make up the fabric of our lives and you have humbled me with your commitment to our country.
18 million of you from all walks of life – women and men, young and old, Latino and Asian, African-American and Caucasian, rich, poor and middle class, gay and straight – you have stood strong with me. And I will continue to stand strong with you, every time, every place, and every way that I can. The dreams we share are worth fighting for.
Remember - we fought for the single mom with a young daughter, juggling work and school, who told me, "I’m doing it all to better myself for her." We fought for the woman who grabbed my hand, and asked me, "What are you going to do to make sure I have health care?" and began to cry because even though she works three jobs, she can’t afford insurance. We fought for the young man in the Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said, "Take care of my buddies over there and then, will you please help take care of me?" We fought for all those who’ve lost jobs and health care, who can’t afford gas or groceries or college, who have felt invisible to their president these last seven years.
I entered this race because I have an old-fashioned conviction: that public service is about helping people solve their problems and live their dreams. I’ve had every opportunity and blessing in my own life – and I want the same for all Americans. Until that day comes, you will always find me on the front lines of democracy – fighting for the future.
The way to continue our fight now – to accomplish the goals for which we stand – is to take our energy, our passion, our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.
Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. I endorse him, and throw my full support behind him. And I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me.
I have served in the Senate with him for four years. I have been in this campaign with him for 16 months. I have stood on the stage and gone toe-to-toe with him in 22 debates. I have had a front row seat to his candidacy, and I have seen his strength and determination, his grace and his grit.
In his own life, Barack Obama has lived the American Dream. As a community organizer, in the state senate, as a United States Senator - he has dedicated himself to ensuring the dream is realized. And in this campaign, he has inspired so many to become involved in the democratic process and invested in our common future.
Now when I started this race, I intended to win back the White House, and make sure we have a president who puts our country back on the path to peace, prosperity, and progress. And that's exactly what we're going to do by ensuring that Barack Obama walks through the doors of the Oval Office on January 20, 2009.
I understand that we all know this has been a tough fight. The Democratic Party is a family, and it’s now time to restore the ties that bind us together and to come together around the ideals we share, the values we cherish, and the country we love.
We may have started on separate journeys – but today, our paths have merged. And we are all heading toward the same destination, united and more ready than ever to win in November and to turn our country around because so much is at stake.
We all want an economy that sustains the American Dream, the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford that gas and those groceries and still have a little left over at the end of the month. An economy that lifts all of our people and ensures that our prosperity is broadly distributed and shared.
We all want a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance. This isn’t just an issue for me – it is a passion and a cause – and it is a fight I will continue until every single American is insured – no exceptions, no excuses.
We all want an America defined by deep and meaningful equality – from civil rights to labor rights, from women’s rights to gay rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families.
We all want to restore America’s standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq and once again lead by the power of our values, and to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.
You know, I’ve been involved in politics and public life in one way or another for four decades. During those forty years, our country has voted ten times for President. Democrats won only three of those times. And the man who won two of those elections is with us today.
We made tremendous progress during the 90s under a Democratic President, with a flourishing economy, and our leadership for peace and security respected around the world. Just think how much more progress we could have made over the past 40 years if we had a Democratic president. Think about the lost opportunities of these past seven years – on the environment and the economy, on health care and civil rights, on education, foreign policy and the Supreme Court. Imagine how far we could’ve come, how much we could’ve achieved if we had just had a Democrat in the White House.
We cannot let this moment slip away. We have come too far and accomplished too much.
Now the journey ahead will not be easy. Some will say we can’t do it. That it’s too hard. That we’re just not up to the task. But for as long as America has existed, it has been the American way to reject "can’t do" claims, and to choose instead to stretch the boundaries of the possible through hard work, determination, and a pioneering spirit.
It is this belief, this optimism, that Senator Obama and I share, and that has inspired so many millions of our supporters to make their voices heard.
So today, I am standing with Senator Obama to say: Yes we can.
Together we will work. We’ll have to work hard to get universal health care. But on the day we live in an America where no child, no man, and no woman is without health insurance, we will live in a stronger America. That’s why we need to help elect Barack Obama our President.
We’ll have to work hard to get back to fiscal responsibility and a strong middle class. But on the day we live in an America whose middle class is thriving and growing again, where all Americans, no matter where they live or where their ancestors came from, can earn a decent living, we will live in a stronger America and that is why we must elect Barack Obama our President.
We’ll have to work hard to foster the innovation that makes us energy independent and lift the threat of global warming from our children’s future. But on the day we live in an America fueled by renewable energy, we will live in a stronger America. That’s why we have to help elect Barack Obama our President.
We’ll have to work hard to bring our troops home from Iraq, and get them the support they’ve earned by their service. But on the day we live in an America that’s as loyal to our troops as they have been to us, we will live in a stronger America and that is why we must help elect Barack Obama our President.
This election is a turning point election and it is critical that we all understand what our choice really is. Will we go forward together or will we stall and slip backwards. Think how much progress we have already made. When we first started, people everywhere asked the same questions:
Could a woman really serve as Commander-in-Chief? Well, I think we answered that one.
And could an African American really be our President? Senator Obama has answered that one.
Together Senator Obama and I achieved milestones essential to our progress as a nation, part of our perpetual duty to form a more perfect union.
Now, on a personal note – when I was asked what it means to be a woman running for President, I always gave the same answer: that I was proud to be running as a woman but I was running because I thought I’d be the best President. But I am a woman, and like millions of women, I know there are still barriers and biases out there, often unconscious.
I want to build an America that respects and embraces the potential of every last one of us.
I ran as a daughter who benefited from opportunities my mother never dreamed of. I ran as a mother who worries about my daughter’s future and a mother who wants to lead all children to brighter tomorrows. To build that future I see, we must make sure that women and men alike understand the struggles of their grandmothers and mothers, and that women enjoy equal opportunities, equal pay, and equal respect. Let us resolve and work toward achieving some very simple propositions: There are no acceptable limits and there are no acceptable prejudices in the twenty-first century.
You can be so proud that, from now on, it will be unremarkable for a woman to win primary state victories, unremarkable to have a woman in a close race to be our nominee, unremarkable to think that a woman can be the President of the United States. And that is truly remarkable.
To those who are disappointed that we couldn’t go all the way – especially the young people who put so much into this campaign – it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours. Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you’re knocked down, get right back up. And never listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on.
As we gather here today in this historic magnificent building, the 50th woman to leave this Earth is orbiting overhead. If we can blast 50 women into space, we will someday launch a woman into the White House.
Although we weren’t able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it’s got about 18 million cracks in it. And the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time. That has always been the history of progress in America.
Think of the suffragists who gathered at Seneca Falls in 1848 and those who kept fighting until women could cast their votes. Think of the abolitionists who struggled and died to see the end of slavery. Think of the civil rights heroes and foot-soldiers who marched, protested and risked their lives to bring about the end to segregation and Jim Crow.
Because of them, I grew up taking for granted that women could vote. Because of them, my daughter grew up taking for granted that children of all colors could go to school together. Because of them, Barack Obama and I could wage a hard fought campaign for the Democratic nomination. Because of them, and because of you, children today will grow up taking for granted that an African American or a woman can yes, become President of the United States.
When that day arrives and a woman takes the oath of office as our President, we will all stand taller, proud of the values of our nation, proud that every little girl can dream and that her dreams can come true in America. And all of you will know that because of your passion and hard work you helped pave the way for that day.
So I want to say to my supporters, when you hear people saying – or think to yourself – "if only" or "what if," I say, "please don’t go there." Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward.
Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been. We have to work together for what still can be. And that is why I will work my heart out to make sure that Senator Obama is our next President and I hope and pray that all of you will join me in that effort.
To my supporters and colleagues in Congress, to the governors and mayors, elected officials who stood with me, in good times and in bad, thank you for your strength and leadership. To my friends in our labor unions who stood strong every step of the way – I thank you and pledge my support to you. To my friends, from every stage of my life – your love and ongoing commitments sustain me every single day. To my family – especially Bill and Chelsea and my mother, you mean the world to me and I thank you for all you have done. And to my extraordinary staff, volunteers and supporters, thank you for working those long, hard hours. Thank you for dropping everything – leaving work or school – traveling to places you’d never been, sometimes for months on end. And thanks to your families as well because your sacrifice was theirs too.
All of you were there for me every step of the way. Being human, we are imperfect. That’s why we need each other. To catch each other when we falter. To encourage each other when we lose heart. Some may lead; others may follow; but none of us can go it alone. The changes we’re working for are changes that we can only accomplish together. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights that belong to each of us as individuals. But our lives, our freedom, our happiness, are best enjoyed, best protected, and best advanced when we do work together.
That is what we will do now as we join forces with Senator Obama and his campaign. We will make history together as we write the next chapter in America’s story. We will stand united for the values we hold dear, for the vision of progress we share, and for the country we love. There is nothing more American than that.
And looking out at you today, I have never felt so blessed. The challenges that I have faced in this campaign are nothing compared to those that millions of Americans face every day in their own lives. So today, I’m going to count my blessings and keep on going. I’m going to keep doing what I was doing long before the cameras ever showed up and what I’ll be doing long after they’re gone: Working to give every American the same opportunities I had, and working to ensure that every child has the chance to grow up and achieve his or her God-given potential.
I will do it with a heart filled with gratitude, with a deep and abiding love for our country– and with nothing but optimism and confidence for the days ahead. This is now our time to do all that we can to make sure that in this election we add another Democratic president to that very small list of the last 40 years and that we take back our country and once again move with progress and commitment to the future.
Thank you all and God bless you and God bless America.
Ok. this is one of those time when I should probably walk away and just shut the F*** up.
But I'm sorry. I feel I need to say this.
Today, as Barack Obama and Hillary asked their supporters to reach out to the other and unify, why in the hell are there comments mocking their choice of clothes?
How does being mean spirited like that encourage any Hillary supporters to support Obama in November?
Also, frankly, I thought it was pretty sexist when the media had to comment on the fact that Nancy Pelosi wore a Armani suit for her swearing-in day as Speaker of the House. Gee...in all my years observing politics, I sure don't remember them commenting on Trent Lott's attire. Or on Denny Hastert looking like a fat-pig in his suits.
Where in a discussion of Democracy and progressive values is it ok to mock a Democrat who has JUST DONE RIGHT BY HER PARTY and HER SUPPORTERS?
I'm sorry to go off like this. Maybe I should have ignored it.
But I'm very insulted here.
I think people should have FOCUSED on her entreaty to HER SUPPORTERS to reach out to Obama's supporters and GET OBAMA elected.
So to mock her family for wearing mourning attire, after they have spent 16 months in a heated, passionate race, then how is that going to encourage Hillary's people to join us? ANd furthermore, doesn't that focus on her clothing, for God's sake, PROVE that the sexism that she was fighting against existed?
I'm sorry for saying all this.
But Hillary and the supporters wearing a formal black suit--in mourning for her lost dreams and hard work--has NOTHING to do with the GENEROUS and SPIRITED ENDORSEMENT she just gave to Obama today. It has NOTHING to do with Democracy. It has NOTHING to do with the things that unite us with Hillary and Obama: universal health care, ending the war, education, etc...
I'm very sorry if I've offended anyone. Perhaps, I need to take a break from the DCP. Because I just feel at this point that some meanness against Obama and Hillary has been happening from both sides. Some has been based in fact, but others are just plain meanness and what I consider unfair to one or the other.
I'm tired of it.
You're right, sparrow. Sorry.
Hello All,
I am in Oregon, at a retreat with seven women activists, and we are discussing some next steps for the peace movement--NOT that we are in charge or anything! But we felt the need for some time off, some quiet talks and walks on the beach.
But I will say that the conversations about HRC and Obama run the same gamut as those here. We have talked about our disappointments in the Clinton campaign (especially those of us who are "older feminists" and who would have, under other circumstances, really hoped for a woman to win. We have reviewed Obama's war stance and his AIPAC speech and worried, but also agreed that the story he is telling--his narrative--is headed in the right direction. We have discussed concerns about John McCain and how to help people understand exactly who he is and what he has done (NOT supported the troops, for example).
The women here just made a giant peace sign on the beach, and I'll try to put it up here.
No answers, just the same questions that we all share, the hopes for a better country and a restoration of the rule of law, and a spirit of doing.
More Kayakbiker portraits of Obama supporters
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/06/what-is-that-wh.html
Karen
It's likely Obama and Hillary both attended the Bildenberg meeting Thursday night in Virginia too, with the world's power brokers. It's just the world we live in. Would much rather have either of them than McCain by a long shot, but I think Obama represents the reworking of the Democratic party that has been in the works for several years and that it now seems time for.
woz, and nmp, (and others here), (Matthew, Monkey, Christy, etc...)
You know I love you guys.
And I'm sure you've noticed that I have tried to be a fair person around here.
I didn't mean to embarrass anyone in my post. I just felt I couldn't walk away even though I wanted to.
I didn't mean to offend - I am extremely visual and image is something I notice. I like policy and can be serious but I do notice when the Clintons dress in black (or when Hillary wears pantsuits or when she wears pink or turquoise to play up her colors or when she wears a pink tropical shirt in Puerto Rico and wiggles her hips.) I do notice when Barack is on the beach in his swimsuit or when he "brushes it off" using a rap gesture, or when he (like John Kerry) has to put on some Carhart-type get up in some state where suits are frowned on, or when his wife with her buff upper arms can get away with sleeveless and halter dresses, which I just did a blog post on.
Kayakbiker's latest was portraits of what Obama supporters were wearing and I did one on McCain's attempts to be hip, since he is not having much luck attracting the younger set, who enjoy clothes and appearance and visual individuality. Earlier today I was amazed by the Jones Cola bottles and the photographer who is selling bikinis with the candidates names on them. I understand different people look at different aspects of things. This is a culture where there are photographers everywhere and people go out to be seen